Sunday, September 2, 2018

The Letter (1949) can be accepted in its first part which is traditional. The second part contradicts the first part. It is irrational, non traditional and heretical.

Can you help me see where the Letter of the Holy Office of 
1948 holds  the heretical view? That is, do you think it must
 be interpreted that way necessarily?

Lionel:
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always 
required that  he be incorporated into the Church actually as a 
member...-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

This is heresy.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
 (EENS) states every one needs to be a 
member of the  Catholic Church for 
salvation. It does not mention the
 baptism of desire etc as an exception.
 Since the baptism of desire(BOD), 
baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved
in invincible ignorance can only be 
hypothetical. They cannot be known 
concrete people in our life time.This is
something obvious.
So for centuries they were referring to 
hypothetical cases only. BOD,BOB and I.I 
without the baptism of water can only be
 hypothetical. 
This is something obvious. So they did not 
elaborate upon it over the years.
For example St. Thomas Aquinas held the
 strict the interpretation of the dogma EENS 
as did  St. Augustine.
 Aquinas mentions the man in the forest in
 invincible ignorance but does not state
that this is a known person saved outside
 the Church.
The Letter of the Holy Office in that line
 above in red  assumes that there are 
exceptions to EENS. If there are 
exceptions then there would have to be
 known people saved outside the Church.
Invisible people cannot be exceptions.
But BOD, BOB and I.I are always invisible 
for us human beings.
So if there was a hypothetical case, a 
possibility, a case only known to God, it 
still cannot be an exception to EENS. 
It has no connection to EENS for us human
 beings.
In that line above and in the criticism of
 Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict 
Center, the Letter  used a false premise
( invisible people are visible) and 
inference( there is known salvation 
outside the Church) to also contradict 
the Catechism of Pope Pius X 1
From the Catechism of Pope Pius X
16 Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is absolutely necessary to salvation, for our Lord has expressly said: 
"Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into 
the Kingdom of God."


The Church in Particular

Q. State distinctly what is necessary to be a member of the Church?
A. To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptised, to believe and 
profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and
 to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.

24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic 
Church; it is necessary to be a living member.

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, 
just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, 
which was a figure of the Church.


11 Q. Who are they who are outside the true Church?

A. Outside the true Church are: Infidels, Jews, heretics, apostates, 
schismatics, and the excommunicated.

13 Q. Who are the Jews?
A. The Jews are those who profess the Law of Moses; have not received
 baptism; and do not believe in Jesus Christ.


14 Q. Who are heretics?

A. Heretics are those of the baptised who obstinately refuse to believe some
 truth revealed by God and taught as an article of faith by the Catholic 
Church; for example, the Arians, the Nestorians and the various sects of Protestants.

So the Letter(1949) suggests invisible cases
of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and
being saved in invincible ignorance are visible
exceptions to what the Catechism of Pope
Pius X says above on exclusive salvation in the 
Catholic Church.
The Letter assumes that BOD, BOB and I.I 
refer to  known cases of someone saved 
outside the Church and then it infers that BOD,
 BOB and I.Iare exceptions to the traditional,
 Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.2
So the Letter (1949) presents known exceptions
to the Syllabus of Errors on an ecumenism of 
return when there are no known exceptions,
 there are no known cases as such.
The Letter(1949) does away with the past 
exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church which
 is supported by the Syllabus and the Catechism 
of the Council of Trent.
This is a concrete error.Since without this 
irrationality in the Letter(1949) Vatican Council
 II (LG 8, LG 14, LG 
16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc) is not a rupture
 with the the past Catechisms, the dogma 
EENS, the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism
and the old ecclesiology .
Vatican Council II without this error from
 the Letter would be in harmony with 
Feeneyite EENS, or, 
EENS as it was known to the missionaries and 
Magisterium of the 16th century.
The Letter (1949) can be accepted in its
 first part which is traditional. The second 
part contradicts the first part. It is 
irrational, non traditional and heretical.
-Lionel Andrades

1

OCTOBER 2, 2016

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston contradicts the

 Catechism of Pope Pius X  
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/10/letter-of-holy-office -1949-to.html

2

JANUARY 10, 2016

They assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a case of 

someone saved outside the Church then they inferred that the 

baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam

 nulla salus  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/01/they-assumed-that-baptism-of-desire.html


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