Friday, February 8, 2019

Pope Francis' document does not state that Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) says all Muslims are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.


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During an inflight press conference on his return from Abu Dhabi, Pope Francis sought to allay concerns over the document, telling reporters: “I want to say one thing and repeat it clearly: from the Catholic point of view, the document did not go one millimeter beyond the Second Vatican Council. It’s even cited there several times. Nothing. The document was done in the spirit of Vatican II.” 
The Pope continued: “Before taking the decision” to finalize the document, “I had some theologians read it, and also officially the Theologian of the Papal Household, who is a Dominican with the beautiful Dominican tradition — not to go on a witch hunt but to see where the right thing is. And he approved it.”
The current Theologian of the Papal Household, Father Wojciech Giertych, O.P., was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. The post, which has been held by Dominicans since the Middle Ages, is tasked with providing advice to the Pope on theological issues, as well as checking papal texts for theological clarity.- Diane Montagna, Papal theologian never saw final draft of controversial doc with Muslims, contrary to Pope's claim.

 https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/papal-theologian-never-saw-final-draft-of-human-fraternity-doc-contrary-to-

Pope Francis'  document does not state that Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) says all Muslims are oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.
The document does not state that his counterpart and co signatory of the document, is also going to where the founders of their religion presently are ( AG 7, LG 14). 
The document does not state that in a pluralistic society all need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.
Most people are on the way to Hell since they die without faith and baptism (AG 7, LG 14) is the message of Vatican Council II, which is missing in the document.
This would be the conclusion when the passage in red does not contradict the passage in blue.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

For Pope Francis, Pope Benedict, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj and the Left however , the passage in red does contradict the passage in blue. Also LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would contradict the passage in blue.
This is irrational. Since hypothetical cases cannot be objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2019. There are no known non Catholics saved outside the Church for us human beings.So there cannot be any practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). We cannot interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS, the past exclusive ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return.
 
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 Prof. Robert dei Mattei commenting on this document mentions the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.1 He refers to speculative and theoretical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and obviously he would not known of any one saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and without 'faith and baptism'.
So he is saying that according to magisterial documents, when 'the red does not contradict the blue' all Muslims are oriented to Hell without faith and baptism and there are no known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades




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February 7, 2019

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For Professor Roberto dei Mattei invincible ignorance is not an objective exception to the dogma EENS since obviously there are no cases of salvation in invincible ignorance, which can be personally known to us human beings

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/for-professor-roberto-dei-mattei.html

 

 

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