Michael and Peter Dimond at the MHFM still interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism and ignore the Feeneyite, rational alternative.

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I disagree with all the comments about Vatican ll. If you actually read the documents, they are quite Orthodox. It's been the application of said documents and the flight from them that are heretical.

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MHFM: You are quite wrong.  You really need to wake up and look at the videos and evidence in this file: The Heresies In Vatican Council II.  Vatican II is filled with heresy.  To name just some of the heresies taught in Vatican II: it teaches that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion (Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27); that Protestant religions are a means of salvation (Unitatis Redintegratio #3); that Protestants and other heretics who dissent from Catholic dogma are in the Body of Christ (Unitatis Redintegratio #3); that religious liberty should be a universal civil right (Dignitatis Humanae #2); that the Church looks upon the Muslims with esteem (Nostra Aetate #3); that Jews are not to be presented as rejected by God (Nostra Aetate #4).

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Before we start to read the text in Vatican Council II we must decide that the Council can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.Cushingism is irrational and many of the Council Fathers were Cushingite. Feeneyism is rational and the Council emerges as a continuity with Tradition.

Cushingism refers to  interpreting hypothetical cases as being objectively known in the present times e.g 1965-2019 and then assuming that they are examples of salvation outside the Church. So outside the Church there is salvation is the conclusion, for Cushingites.

Feeneyism refers to interpreting hypothetical cases as being only hypothetical. So LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are always hypothetical. Always.One does not have to assume or postulate or theorize that they are hypothetical. They are just hypothetical.So they cannot be objective and practical exceptions to the dogma EENS.

So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology and ecumenism of return in Vatican Council II. 

 To name just some of the heresies taught in Vatican II: it teaches that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion (Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27); (This is the Cushingite interpretation of the liberals which is shared by the MHFM) that Protestant religions are a means of salvation (Unitatis Redintegratio #3) (Cushingites assume UR 3 refers to known Christians saved outside the Catholic Church. For Feeneyites, UR 3 refers to a hypothetical case only) ; that Protestants and other heretics who dissent from Catholic dogma are in the Body of Christ (Unitatis Redintegratio #3)(For Cushingites there is known salvation outside the Church for Feeneyites there is no known salvation outside the Catholic Church) ; that religious liberty should be a universal civil right (Dignitatis Humanae #2)(We have a Cushingite interpretation here. There can be religious liberty in a Catholic State which affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus like the Jesuits in the 16th century ); that the Church looks upon the Muslims with esteem (Nostra Aetate #3); that Jews are not to be presented as rejected by God (Nostra Aetate #4).(For a Feeneyite, Nostra Aetate does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. There may be good and holy things in other religions but the religions are not paths to salvation and outside the Church there is no known salvation.Nostra Aetate does not state that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiology.).

Michael and Peter Dimond at the MHFM still interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism and ignore the Feeneyite, rational alternative.-Lionel Andrades 

March 13, 2019

 

Michael Matt and Michael and Peter Dimond are still politically correct with the Left on Vatican Council II : irrational interpretation of Catechisms and Magisterial documents

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/michael-matt-and-michael-and-peter.html