All the non Catholics in the Amazon are oriented to Hell with no known exception to us human beings, since this is the dogmatic teaching of the Church(EENS) and it is supported by Vatican Council II , when it is rationally-interpreted.
Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) as opposed to Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) supports an exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.It does not state that hypothetical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance are objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). If it did state this it would be an objective error.
We cannot meet or see any one saved in invincible ignorance in the Amazon.
We cannot say that there is any particular person in the Amazon who will die outside the Church in invincible ignorance.
The norm for salvation is faith and baptism in the Catholic Church(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II). The norm is not invincible ignorance(I.I), the baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved with the baptism of desire(BOD).
So we know that in general all in the Amazon, who are not members of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism, are oriented to Hell and they are there today.
We cannot say that any particular person in the Amazon will be saved with a last momemt repentance. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism it is not a theoretical last minute repentance which results into salvation,known to us.
So when I meet a non Catholic in the Amazon I know he is oriented to Hell where is immediate ancestors also are.
I can say that they are in Hell since the Church says in Vatican Council II ( AG 7,LG 14), the Church Councils with interpreted EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.
So this is not just a personal view. However to suggest that any one in particular or Amazoninans in general are exceptions is some one's particular opinion.
Vatican Council II tells us that most people are in Hell today since they die without faith and baptism which is necessary for salvation.The Council II saying that you are either baptized with water(AG 7, LG 14) or there is damnation(AG 7, LG 14).The Council is saying extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Amazonians are outside the Catholic Church today.
For Ann Barnhardt being saved in invincible ignorance is a possibility known to God and so she does not out right say that all the non Catholics in the Amazon are on the way to Hell. All.
She cannot also say that all the non Catholic Amazonians who have died are also there in Hell.
In her mind theoretical cases are objective exceptions to EENS in the present times (1965-2019).
This is Cushingism. This was the understanding of Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits at the time of Vatican Council II.
So with a Cushingite way of thinking, for her, all the natives in the Americas before Columbus went there, would not be condemned, since they died without faith and the baptism of water.They were saved in invincible ignorance in general or some other factor.
She reads Vatican Council II superficially and irrationally, like Cushingites at the Vatican and the Lefbvrists.
If it is technically possible to be saved in invincible ignorance in the Amazon or the North American continent in the 16th century, it is also technically possible that there was no one saved as such. If there were technically 20 cases of the baptism of desire last year then technically there could also be not a single one. A possibility is meaningless for us human beings. We cannot postulate a possibility as being an exception or relevant to EENS.
So Ann Barnhardt and Super Nerd in their latest podcast cannot out rightly say that all the Amazonians need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and they are all oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).She is a liberal on this point.
The popes over the centuries, before Pius XII, interpreted BOD, BOB and I.I as theoretical and hypothetical cases only. They could not be anything else. This is something obvious, and it is not just my personal view.For them unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, were not personally known people saved outside the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades
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