Father John Zuhlsdorf irrationally interprets Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Creeds and Catechisms and BOD,BOB and I.I like Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and John Allen jr.: they use the false premise, inference and conclusion.
LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE AND VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICT FEENEYITE EENS WITH THE IRRATIONAL PREMISE ONLY
FEBRUARY 9, 2020
IRRATIONAL PREMISE AND INFERENCE AND NON TRADITIONAL CONCLUSION IN THE INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ( Graphics )
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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) CONTRADICTS FEENEYITE EENS ONLY WHEN AN IRRATIONAL PREMISE IS USED.
FEBRUARY 9, 2020
IRRATIONAL PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) (Graphics)
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VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS FEENEYITE EENS AND TRADITION ONLY WHEN AN IRRATIONAL PREMISE IS USED.
FEBRUARY 5, 2020
FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/false-premise-inference-and-conclujsion.html
WHEN THERE IS A RATIONAL PREMISE THEN 16TH CENTURY EENS AND TRADITION IS NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II, THE CATECHISMS AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE(BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I). THERE IS HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION( SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, ATHANASIUS CREED, CANTATE DOMINIO , COUNCIL OF FLORENCE 1441 ETC).
FEBRUARY 8, 2020
I affirm Vatican Council II with the rational interpretation and reject the irrational one (Graphics)
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/i-affirm-vatican-council-ii-with.html
-Lionel Andrades
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD(
Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible
ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven
without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG
8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true
Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
LG
16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith
and the baptism of water)
UR
3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the
unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith
or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to
someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA
2( Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside
the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with
good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth
which enlightens all mankind.
GS
22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is
saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and
baptism but with goodwill.
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EXAMPLES OF THE HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined
in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian,
but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not
preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the
plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in
the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
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HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP O
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1.Therefore,
no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely
established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or
withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.(We do not know who this person is in particular so it is a hypothetical case.)
2.In
His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one
to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's
final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution,
can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used
only in desire and longing.(We do not know any one in particular as such so this is a hypothetical case.)
3.Therefore,
that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that
he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is
necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.(
If there is any such person he or she would only be known to God. So
this passage is irrelevant to the dogma EENS. It cannot be an
exception.Since it is a reference to an invisible person for us.)
4.However,
this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but
when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an
implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good
disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to
the will of God.(This is a reference to an unknown catechumen)
5.For
in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between
those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and
those who are united to the Church only by desire.(
Again we have a theoretical and hypothetical reference. We do not know
who is united to the Church only in desire and will be saved.) -Lionel Andrades
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FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/false-premise-inference-and-conclujsion.html
WHEN THERE IS A RATIONAL PREMISE THEN 16TH CENTURY EENS AND TRADITION IS NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II, THE CATECHISMS AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE(BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I). THERE IS HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION( SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, ATHANASIUS CREED, CANTATE DOMINIO , COUNCIL OF FLORENCE 1441 ETC).
FEBRUARY 8, 2020
I affirm Vatican Council II with the rational interpretation and reject the irrational one (Graphics)
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/i-affirm-vatican-council-ii-with.html
-Lionel Andrades
TERMS CLARIFIED
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-Lionel Andrades
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD(
Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible
ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven
without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG
8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true
Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the
baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved
and now in Heaven)
LG
16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the
Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith
and the baptism of water)
UR
3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the
unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith
or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to
someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA
2( Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside
the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with
good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth
which enlightens all mankind.
GS
22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is
saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and
baptism but with goodwill.
_________________________________________________________________________________
EXAMPLES OF THE HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CC(CCC 846).
3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
____________________________________________________________
EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II FOR THEM WHICH ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
_________________________________________________________
HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP O
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.
_________________________________________________________
HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP O
OF BOSTON WHICH FOR THEM ARE NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
1.Therefore,
no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely
established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or
withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.(We do not know who this person is in particular so it is a hypothetical case.)
2.In
His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one
to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's
final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution,
can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used
only in desire and longing.(We do not know any one in particular as such so this is a hypothetical case.)
3.Therefore,
that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that
he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is
necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.(
If there is any such person he or she would only be known to God. So
this passage is irrelevant to the dogma EENS. It cannot be an
exception.Since it is a reference to an invisible person for us.)
4.However,
this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but
when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an
implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good
disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to
the will of God.(This is a reference to an unknown catechumen)
5.For
in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between
those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and
those who are united to the Church only by desire.(
Again we have a theoretical and hypothetical reference. We do not know
who is united to the Church only in desire and will be saved.) -Lionel Andrades
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