Wednesday, February 12, 2020

It is not orthodoxy when Roberto dei Mattei interprets the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) with a fake premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). For me EENS has no exceptions. For him BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.

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It is not orthodoxy when  Roberto dei Mattei interprets the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) with a fake premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). For me EENS has no exceptions. For him BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets Vatican Council II( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with the false premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation) and the rest of Tradition.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the false premise,inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of Pope Pius X (invincible ignorance) as a rupture with EENS, the Syllabus of Erroirs, Athanasius Creed etc, by using a false premise, inference and conclusion.
It is not orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Nicene Creed with the false premise, inference and conclusion,so BOD, BOB and I.I become exceptions to 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Today it is, 'I believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets BOD, BOB and I.I with a rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a harmony with 16th century EENS. BOD,BOB and I.I do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted in the Patristic period.They are not exceptions.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets Vatican Council II( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. This creates a continuity with EENS etc.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed.
It is orthtodoxy when Mattei interpres the Catechism of Pope Pius X( invincible ignorance) with the rational premise, inference and conclusion to create a harmony with EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc.
It is orthodoxy when Mattei interprets the Nicene Creed with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and so the understanding is that we believe in one visible and known baptism, the baptism of water, for the forgiveness of sins.It is not three visible and known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water and so are alleged exceptions to EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Athansius Creed and the rest of Tradition.
Roberto dei Mattei wants to interpret Vatican Council II etc as a rupture with Tradition since he does not want to affirm EENS with no exceptions.So he will say outside the Church there is no salvation and also claim invincible ignorance etc, are practical exceptions to EENS. So he rejects Feeneyite EENS.There are literal cases of being saved in invincible ignorance in the present times for him. This is a false premise. But he remains politically correct with the Left, in this way.-Lionel Andrades 


February 11, 2020

 


Lepanto Foundation,Correspondenza Romano, Radici Cristiane,RadioRomalibera of Roberto dei Mattei do not rationally interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS, BOD, BOB and I.I and the Catechism of Pope Pius X : an irrational premise, inference and conclusion is used. 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/lepanto-foundationcorrespondenza-romano.html

 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

 




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