Sunday, August 16, 2020

When I say that in Heaven there are only Catholics and that the majority of non Catholics are oriented to Hell since they die without faith and baptism I am citing Ad Gentes 7, interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism, without the false premise instead of with it.

 When I say that in Heaven there are only Catholics and that the majority of non Catholics are oriented to Hell since they die without faith and baptism I am citing Ad Gentes 7, interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism, without the false premise instead of with it. 

Here is the orthodox passage in Ad Gentes 7 in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-AG 7

Here is the same passage interpreted with Feeneyism.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-AG 7

The line made known by the Church's preaching comes from Cushingism. It assumes there are known Catholics who are saved in invincible ignorance. So all do not need to enter the Church as members with faith and baptism but only those who 'know'.

But those who know or do not known and will be saved are known only to God. So they cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS on earth. So the norm is all need faith and baptism for salvation and there are no known exceptions of those who 'know'.

So for a Feeneyite this is how the passage could be read without the Cushingite line. 'Made known by the Church's preaching' refers to a hypothetical case. It is something theoretical only.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, ... and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-AG 7

This would also be the approach with Lumen Gentium 14.

Anyway there is nothing in Ad Gentes 7 or in the Vatican Council II-text in general  to contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). 

-Lionel Andrades


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