It is important for the MHFM to acknowledge this point. Since it would also change their interpretation of Vatican Council II

 Whatever the arguments for or against the baptism of desire posted on the website of the Most Holy Family Monastery(MHFM) by Michael and Peter Dimond, the bottom line is that there are no objective cases of the baptism of desire for us human beings.They do not exist in our reality. There are no literal cases.They are always hypothetical. So they do not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to Michael and Peter.

This point is not acknowledge i.e there are no physical cases, there are no practical cases of the baptism of desire. If they happened they would only be known to God.

So whatever St. Thomas Aquinas or the Council of Florence may state, the baptism of desire does not contradict exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

It is important for the MHFM to acknowledge this point.

Since it would also change their interpretation of Vatican Council II.

There are no physically visible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in 1965-2021. So Vatican Council II does not have any practical exception for Feeneyite EENS.The Council does not have a hermeneutic of rupture with the Council of Florence on EENS.Instead there is a continuity with Tradition.

It is a common mistake among the traditionalists ( Thucs, Lefebvrists and Feeneyites) to project LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being practical exceptions to EENS.

They conclude that LG 14 ( baptism of desire) is a practical exception to EENS and so Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition(EENS). Their premise is that LG 14 refers to a physically visible case at Newton's level of matter.It would have to be physically visible and known to be a practical exception. An invisible person cannot be an exception to Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q,27Q).Someone who is not practically there cannot be an example of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.

 But this is a false premise. It is also the mistake made by the MHFM.

They can acknowledge the error and correct it.-Lionel Andrades

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The Best Argument Against "Baptism of Desire"

 

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