If the laity and politicians in France learn that Vatican Council II interpreted with a rational premise supports 16th century Tradition, it will be taking back the Church from the leftist bishops and priests and politicians. It should show over time in the polls.

If the laity and politicians in France learn that Vatican Council II interpreted with a rational premise supports 16th century Tradition, it will be taking back the Church from the leftist bishops and priests and politicians. It should show over time in the polls.

The only thing preventing a Restoration in France is Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, by the liberals and Lefebvrists.

With one simple move-change the premise- we take the Church back to the ecclesiology of the times of St. Joan of Arc. Back to the times of the Vendees.

The false premise has brought division into the Church.It shows up in theology, doctrines and discipline.Get rid of it.

The laity in Dijone, for example, should appeal before the Municipal Council and the newspaper offices.Ask them to tell Bishop Roland Minnerath and all the priests to interpret Vatican Council II with a rational premise, irrespective of the Rite of the Holy Mass.

Ask the politicians to issue a statement saying interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise is unethical and not Catholic.

Show them how Vatican Council II can be interpreted with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion and also with an irrational premise, inference and conclusion.Ask the bishops conferences and Catechechetical Centers,to be honest.

The people have to be aware, that presently even the FSSP and SSPX are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise (invisible cases are visible in 2021) rejecting the non traditional conclusion and going back to traditional sources of the Faith.

The liberals and ecclesiastics are also interpreting Vatican Council II with the same false premise(invisible people are visible) and are accepting the non traditional conclusion, which they use to make Tradition obsolete.

Both groups are using the same fake premise.

The laity only know of the results, the change in doctrine and discipline.They are not aware of the original fake premise which creates 'the reforms of Vatican Council II' as the secular media calls it.

The Latin laity can take back the Church in Dijone, France.Their advantake is that they have a coherent and consistent body of knowledge from which to draw from.It never changes.This is Catholic Tradition.It would appeal to even those who attend the Novus Ordo Mass once they learn that there can only be a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.

The FSSP must not leave Dijone.It is the Minneraths who must be on the defensive  with their irrational and bad theology.

The FSSP could offer a solemn Mass in the French language. Vatican Council II ( rational ) is now no more an issue.So they could offer the Novus Ordo Mass with the Tridentine ecclesiology.Go through the rubrics as if it was the Mass in Latin.They can offer the Latin Mass privately,for now.-Lionel Andrades

MONDAY, JUNE 28, 2021

Le Pen must see that the problem in Dijon is political and not only religious : Bishop Minnerath must be asked to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise at Holy Mass

 

LE PEN MUST SEE THAT THE PROBLEM IN DIJON IS POLITICAL AND NOT ONLY RELIGIOUS: BISHOP MINNERATH MUST BE ASKED TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT THE FALSE PREMISE AT HOLY MASS.

Le Pen must be shown that the Dijon problem is not only religious but also political. Bishop Minnerath wants to interpret Vatican Council II like the poltiical Left and so create a rupture between Church and State, faith and practical government.

Vatican Council II is interpreted with a false premise to create a break with the historical understanding of faith and morals. Le Pen could be asked to comment on the problem of the Latin Mass / Vatican Council II in Dijon. Why do lay Catholics have to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and create a break with the old ecclesiology and past theology of the Traditional Mass in France?

Lesamisdebasilique could appeal to Le Pen for the Latin Mass to be offered by priests who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. Because without the false premise, there is no break with the ecclesiology of the Catholic Church in France. .

Liberalism in theology and doctrine in Dijon depends upon the use of a false premise. Without the false premise, the Church would say that there is no known salvation outside the Church in the present times. LG, LG 16, UR 3 etc. would not be examples of known people saved without faith and the baptism of water in 2021. Then Vatican Council II would be saying outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7).

For Bishop Minnerath the Second Vatican Council now says instead that outside the Church there is salvation.Since he interpret the Council, confusing LG 8, LG 16 etc as exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). It is as if LG 8, LG 16 etc refer to real people and not only to hypothetical and speculative cases. Without this deception, Bishop Roland Minnerath cannot quote Vatican Council II to support his liberalism.

The bishop wrote books and articles interpreting the Second Vatican Council and Pope Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors with the common false premise.So he created a false new theology, which is a break with Tradition. This false break with Tradition will be the theology of diocesan priests at the Novus Ordo(French) and Latin Mass in Dijon. Why should diocesan priests offer the Mass in Latin with the left-wing political version of the Second Vatican Council?

Le Pen could ask Bishop Minnerath to interpret Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors without the false premise and to interpret the First Commandment as did the Magisterium of the Church over the centuries in France.
The difference between Bishop Minnerath and me is that I consider baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood (BDS) and invincible ignorance (I.I) as not being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. There are no literal cases in 2021. So the Second Vatican Council is not a break with Tradition for me. It has a continuity with the traditional exclusive salvation. Ad Gentes 7 says that everyone needs faith and baptism for salvation. Therefore according to the Council everyone needs to convert to the Catholic Church for salvation (AG 7) and not only those who "know" (LG 14). Those who "know" and who are saved,are known only to God. The norm for salvation is AG 7 and not LG 14. While LG 14(invincible ignorance) is not exception for AG 7. -Lionel Andrades

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 MARCH 2, 2021 

Could a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?

Macron and Le Pen in France interpret Vatican Council II with a fake premise to create a rupture with Catholic theology of France in the Middle Ages.Will a new discovery about Vatican Council II change the voting pattern in Catholic France ?

Practising Catholics who voted for Fellon would appreciate the Catholic Church going back to Tradition. They simply have to interpret the Council without the fake premise and it is back to Catholic doctrine of the 15th century.1

Traditional Catholics voted for Fellon in a Church divided with liberalism based upon a false interpretation of Vatican Council II. Now it is clear that  the Council can be interpreted in harmony with Tradition and there is no theological opening for the liberalism of the last 55 years.2

-Lionel Andrades

1

According to a recent poll, only 42 percent of Fillon voters plan to vote Macron in the runoff, versus 31 percent for Le Pen; 27 percent either have not made up their mind or plan to stay home. Not all Fillon voters are Catholics, of course, but the Fillon vote overlaps with a lot of practicing Catholics. Forty-four percent of Mass-going Catholics voted for Mr. Fillon in the first round, according to a Harris Interactive poll, and 68 percent of practicing Catholics voted for a candidate who is not in the runoff, reports the Catholic magazine La Vie.https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/05/03/macron-le-pen-runoff-reveals-fault-lines-french-catholic-revival

2

But Francois Fillon showed in November that there were still lots of votes to win on the right when he swept the primary of the Republicans — the main conservative party — by openly appealing to traditional Catholics angered by the Socialist government’s legalization of same-sex marriage in 2013.

His unexpected primary victory made him look like the probable next president. But his campaign soon became mired in a series of financial scandals that unsettled Catholics originally attracted by his Mr. Clean image.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/24/france-president-election-politicians-religion-muslims/99580576/

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