Tuesday, November 30, 2021

When you interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise then as a Catholic you have something to say



When you interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational Premise then as a Catholic you have something to say. You are saying that in Heaven there are only Catholics (AG 7) and outside the Church LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in 2021  are not exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So most people go to Hell since they die without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG 7) and there are mortal sins of faith which are not contradicted by Vatican Council II (rational) because there are no exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, EENS, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.So it is important to share the Catholic Faith to save people from going to Hell. The priority should also be that the national political Government is Catholic and there is the non separation of the Catholic State and the Catholic Church, like during the time of the Papal States in Europe and the Catholic Austro-Hungarian Empire.

So the traditional de fide teachings of the Catholic Church from the Patristic period to the 1930’s  are supported by Vatican Council II ( rational) and they cannot be changed by Vatican Council II( irrational ) or popes who are in schism and heresy with the irrational interpretation of Magisterial Documents.

 




So evangelise. Since most people are on the way to Hell. For more information on evangelization and catechesis contact the St. Benedict Center, Richmond, New Hampshire, USA( Website : Catholicism.org ). They have an evangelization which is ecclesiocentric without the vague, official Christocentric New Evangelisation based upon the False Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.  



Set up a St. Benedict Center Group in your parish or your house. Coordinate with the Prior or Prioress of the St.Benedict Center in New Hampshire. You can have Holy Mass in Italian or English too. At the St. Benedict Center, NH, the catechesis for First Communicants, RCIA for Adult Formation and religious classes in diocesan schools, are based upon Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. This is missing in the mainstream diocesan schools and catechetical centers which interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise.

 1.In Matthew 7:13-14 Jesus says enter through the narrow gate for the road to Hell is wide and most people take it. They take that road not only with sins of morals but also with not knowing about the Catholic Church and its traditional teachings on faith and morals. Jesus is the narrow gate and the Bible tells us that the Church is He Mystical Body. 



2. Jesus has said that all need faith and the baptism of water (John 3:5) for salvation. The Church is necessary; the Eucharist is necessary for salvation (John 6:29.20). 

3. Those who do not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16). Those who do not believe in Jesus in the only Church he founded will be condemned. Tell this to your friends and relatives. You may even be ready to proclaim the Faith on the streets. We do not know of any practical exceptions for Mark 16:16 in particular cases. 

First Communicants have to be told that everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and that other religions are not paths to Heaven. Without faith and the baptism of water people go to Hell (CCC 1257 The Necessity of Baptism). The Catholic Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water (CCC 1257).This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church when Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents are interpreted rationally. This is the Magisterium of the Church according to Church Magisterial Documents, even if it is being rebelled against by the popes, cardinals, bishops and parish priests, for political or other reasons. A person is on the ship that saves, the Catholic Church, or in the sea. It is black and white. Grey areas can only be known to God.

So we evangelize and invite people to Jesus in the only ark of Noah that saves in the flood (CCC 845).-Lionel Andrades


NOVEMBER 29, 2021

SUNDAY MASS – MONDAY PROCLAMATION

 

SUNDAY MASS – MONDAY PROCLAMATION

If you went for Sunday Mass yesterday, good. It is an obligation on Sunday. It is a mortal sin to miss Holy Mass on Sunday. If you do not go for Holy Mass on Sundays the state of sin is recorded on your soul. When you die the demons will come and call out this sin, during your Particular Judgment, and claim you as their own. The sin also influences you daily activity while you are still on earth.

If it also important for Mondays to proclaim the Faith since all those who do not attend Sunday Mass in a Catholic Church are living in sin –sins of faith or morals, and they will go to the fires of Hell.

1.The Bible tells us to enter through the narrow gate for the road to Hell is wide and most people take it (Matt.7:13).They take this road not only with  mortal sins of morals but with not knowing about the Catholic Church and its traditional teachings on faith and morals.

2. Jesus has said that all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation (John 3:5). The Church and its Sacraments are necessary for salvation, the Eucharist is necessary for salvation (John 6: 58-59 etc).

3. Those who do not believe will be condemned (Mark 16:16).Those who do not believe in Jesus in the only Church He founded will be condemned. Tell this to your friends and relatives. You have a whole week before you. You may even be ready to proclaim the Faith on the streets.

It could be helpful to coordinate with the St. Benedict Center, Richmond, New Hampshire, USA (website Catholicism.org) and ask them about their street evangelization. This Catholic religious community interprets Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus rationally.

In Rome permission is needed from the authorities before distributing literature. However written messages can be given to someone you know personally.

Set up a St. Benedict’s Center group in your parish or home. Coordinate with the Prior or Prioress at the SBC in New Hampshire. There can be an SBC for those who go for Holy Mass in English or Italian too.

In this religious community in New Hampshire the catechesis for First Communicants, RCIA Adult formation and Religion Classes for school children, is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted rationally. This is missing in the mainstream diocesan schools and catechetical centers.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/sunday-mass-obligation-was-a-casualty-of-2020-dadd5pw5




 MAY 7, 2013

EVANGELIZE, EVANGELIZE! IF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR, WHAT ABOUT US CATHOLICS?

EVANGELIZE, EVANGELIZE! IF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR, WHAT ABOUT US CATHOLICS?

from Spirit Daily http://www.spiritdaily.com/evangelize.htm

On occasion we hear the admonition from Rome or the local pulpit: evangelize. Go forth and speak of Catholicism. Spread authentic Christianity!

We hear that good notion (part of Christ's own admonition) but usually with little advice on how to do it [this was written before the Pope's recent remarks].

Yet, ways there are.

The most basic: go to homes; door to door; visit people in your community; show them what Catholics look like and act like and believe like, as opposed to the conceptions they may have from the media.

If Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons can do it -- if evangelicals can, with substantial results -- why can't the world's oldest and most authentic form of Christianity?

Spreading the Word seems daunting but is easy once the ice is broken and brings much joy and grace. At the least, we may pull back some lapsed Catholics. There are dozens of millions of them!

And with the new Pope and his populous appeal, they may listen.

Hand or leave folks a holy card; Saint Jude may be a great way to start. Let them know about saints and healing; leave one of the Blessed Mother.

Unafraid to proclaim their beliefs (which are far more controversial than any Catholic ones), Jehovah's Witnesses often fill up new "Kingdom" halls due to just such boldness in evangelization. And too often, their converts were born Catholic. Meanwhile, Mormons purvey beliefs -- often with similar success -- that hinge on some radical mystical ideas.

So what are we Catholics afraid of? The Legion of Mary has been doing this -- personal evangelization -- for years (working in pairs).

Say a Rosary each day on what you can do and how you can do it and if not handing out cards or directly evangelizing, what about a bumper-sticker, or putting one of the fish symbols on your car?

Mary wasn't afraid. Joseph wasn't afraid. Jesus certainly wasn't afraid. Look at where the Apostles journeyed (and the amazing fruits).

We have to pull lapsed Catholics back. We have to reach out to Episcopalians -- who are especially inclined to convert. We need to let Protestants in on the original Church, the one that's 2,000 years old, the one that compiled the New Testament, the one that's fifteen centuries older than the Reformation.

It's time to get out there. It's time to spread the word at soup kitchens. It's time to let it all hang out. It's not enough to just talk or pray about it! It's time to bring people back! Francis himself said so the other day. "During his daily morning Mass today, Pope Francis reflected on the duty of all Christians to pass on the faith," reported Zenit News on May 3. "The Holy Father went on to say that Christ asks of us the courage to not only proclaim His Resurrection, but also the courage to pray and ask Christ when we are in need. 'We must have the courage to go to Jesus and ask Him: 'But you said this, do it! Make the faith grow, make evangelization move forward, help me to solve this problem,' the Pope said. 'Do we have this courage in prayer? Or do we pray a little, when we can, spending a bit' of time in prayer? But that courage, that parresia (boldness) even in prayer.' The Church, he said, 'must be courageous!'”

Just do something Catholic. Buy books for prisoners. Say a Rosary as you walk. Let folks see the dangling beads. Send a novena to someone who's young. Go to a college! Have a garden statue that passersby can see. Bless your neighborhood (sprinkle blessed salt as you walk).

Yes, of course, there is always resistance. Yes, of course, there will be rudeness -- a bit. Maybe.

But the effect of that quickly vanishes and most will listen and the grace from a single conversion or reversion outweighs any rudeness, any resistance, and any heresy. This is the month of Mary, of Fatima. What better month to start?

Archdiocese of St. Louis promotes door-to-door evangelization

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=17735
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/05/evangelize-evangelize-if-jehovahs.html

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AUGUST 11, 2019

Four points for Catholic street evangelisation


MAY 27, 2019

Catholic proclamation for martyrs (in agreement with the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church)


OCTOBER 24, 2021

Choose the L.A interpretation of Vatican Council II

 

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SEPTEMBER 8, 2021

Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not just a pastoral Council

 

VATICAN COUNCIL II IS DOGMATIC AND NOT JUST A PASTORAL COUNCIL

I don't know about Pope Francis but I am back to Traditional Mission based upon ecclesiocentrism since there is no known salvation outside the Church.We cannot meet or see someone saved without faith and baptism; Catholic faith and the baptism of water in 2021.
We are back to the non separation of Church and State since outside the Church there is no known salvation and being a Catholic is a priority for avoiding Hell.So the priority is a Catholic Government.In Heaven there are only Catholics is the official teaching of Vatican Council II ( rational) .
This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church today when Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents are interpreted with a rational premise.This is not just a personal view.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only a pastoral Council.It supports the 16th century EENS, which did not have any exceptions.It was common sense that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, without the baptism of water, did not refer to personally known and objective people.This was known at the Council of Trent.-
Lionel Andrades



UNE 12, 2021

There are so many reports/articles on the Vatican websites which interpret Vatican Council II as being non dogmatic and as a rupture with Tradition.The Council is dogmatic

 


There are so many reports/articles on the Vatican websites which interpret Vatican Council II as being non dogmatic and as a rupture with Tradition.The websites for the Congregation for the Clergy and the Council for Christian Unity, I have shown on this blog, use a fake premise, to interpret the Council as a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).



This has been presented as 'a new revelation' in the Catholic Church. The error was used to justify Amoris Laetitia and so to give the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried.

But the Council is dogmatic. It is in line with Church documents which affirm exclusive salvation with only Catholic faith and the baptism of water.Faith and baptism in the Catholic Church(AG 7) is the Conciliar Church's teaching on exclusive salvation with the past exclusivist ecclesiology.-Lionel Andrades

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 OCTOBER 23, 2021

Vatican Council II is dogmatic and ecclesiocentric

 JUNE 11, 2021

Vatican Council II is dogmatic

 

 

 

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II.


1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.

 

2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?

It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.

 

3.Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked? 

No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).

 

4.How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?

He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.

 

5.Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?

No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.

 

6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).

 

7.What about the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition ?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no rupture with past Magisterium documents and neither do they contradict each other.We have to re-interpret past Magisterial documents though, which mention the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), as being hypothetical and invisible always.Being saved with BOD and I.I are always physically invisible, when they are mentioned in the Catechisms( Trent, Pius X etc) and encyclicals and documents of the popes(Mystici Corporis etc).They always refer to hypothetical cases only and are not objectively known non Catholics.If someone is saved outside the Church he or she could only be known to God.This has to be clear when reading also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.There is also no confusion when reading the text of Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc, refer always to only hypothetical cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasius Creed.

 

8.Should the popes use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

YES! Since presently the two popes are schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional on Vatican Council II.It has to be this way since they use the false premise.It is only with the false premise, inference and conclusion that they interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.The result is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

 

9.What other advantage is there in knowing the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

We read the text of Vatican Council II in general differently with the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.

’The red is not an exception to the blue’.The hypothetical passages( marked in red on the blog Eucharist and Mission, are not practical exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which support EENS, and are marked in blue.

For the present two popes and the traditionalists the red is an exception to the blue. This is irrational.

 

10.What bearing does it have on the liturgy ?

Without the false premise the Council is traditional. Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century.So we are back to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. When the Council is traditional there is no 'development of doctrine' or 'sprit of Vatican Council II'. Collegiality, Religious Freedom and ecumenism are no more an issue. So receiving Holy Communion on the hand can no more be justified with Vatican Council II.Neither can the Eucharist be given to the divorced and re-married, in the name of the Council.

Neither can the German Synod be justified by citing Vatican Council II.There is no theological basis in the Council, any more, for given the Eucharist to Protestants during Holy Mass.

 

11.What is the essence of this interpretation?

It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies  two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.

Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional.  

 Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.


12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?

Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). 

 Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc.  cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes  7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.

When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.

Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.

Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.

So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

 

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

 

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

 

 

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

 

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

 

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

 

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/there-is-no-denial-from-congregation.html   


Lionel Andrades

Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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OCTOBER 21, 2021

I AFFIRM CHURCH TEACHINGS

 


I affirm Church Teachings and Documents. Vatican Council II is an ally

 



I AFFIRM CHURCH TEACHINGS 

When Vatican Council II is interpreted with the Rational Premise the Council is an ally. We can affirm Tradition along with Vatican Council II.

I affirm all the teachings of the Catholic Church but I only interpret Church documents with the rational premise. So there is no rupture with the past Magisterium and Catholic Tradition.

I AVOID THE CONFUSION

Today's  Christocentric missionaries will interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X, 29Q ( invincible ignorance) as being a practical exception to 24Q and 27Q ( outside the Church no salvation) in the same Catechism. They are Cushingite and not Feeneyite.

For Feeneyites  29 Q ( invincible ignorance) is only a hypothetical case. So LG 16 ( invincible ignorance) does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and  baptism for salvation).

Also the Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 ( invincible ignorance) does not contradict the same Catechism of the Catholic Church n.846 ( AG 7 - all need faith and baptism for salvation.)

Cardinal Tagle's Cushingite missionaries, will also welcome other Christians, Protestans, Lutherans, Episcopalians, even if they officially believe  contraception and abortion are not mortal sins. The false New Evangelisation, presents Jesus in a new Church, without the necessity of the traditional faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church of St. Ignatius of Loyola.

With the Rational Premise, Pope Francis and Cardinal Tagle  could affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics ( Quas Primas ). Since the ecclesiology of Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents, would have returned  to ecclesiocentrism. There would no more be a rupture with the Principle of Non Contradiction ( baptism of desire cases are visible in Heaven and on earth at the same time and so they are practical exceptions to EENS), of Aristotle.

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949

I affirm the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which is not contradicted by the second half for me.Since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only in 2021. They could not have been practical exceptions to Feenyite EENS in 1949. Pope Pius XII and the popes who followed made an objective mistake.The present popes continue with the mistake and expect all Catholics to follow them.So the interpretation of Vatican Council II by the College of Cardinals is also irrational and non Magisterial.

CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X

I affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 29 Q) on other religions.It is not contradicted by that same Catechism mentioning those who are saved in invincible ignorance. Similarly I affirm Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) which is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance).LG 16 is always a hypothetical case.Only God can know if someone is saved in invincible ignorance.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 are always hypothetical.So they do not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. 

Similarly the Vatican Council II, Decree on Ecumenism, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, is always hypothetical.So does not contradict the past ecumenism of return or the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.

ATHANASIUS CREED

Similarly I affirm the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.I  do not know of any practical exception in the present times.

DOGMA EENS

I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and I accept hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. I do not have to reject them.Since they can only be hypothetical, always.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

I affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846 Outside the Church No Savation) with Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism. I do not know of any exception.There is no exception mentioned in the phrase , ' all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church'.The priority is membership in the Catholic Church, with 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell ( for salvation).We do not separate Jesus from His Mystical Body the Catholic Church.The norm for salvation is faith and baptism.

Similarly I know that 'the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water'(CCC 1257) and that there are no practical exceptions.Theoretically 'God is not limited to the Sacraments', and practically all need the baptism of water and Catholic faith,always, to avoid Hell.There are no practical exceptions for the norm for salvation.

NICENE CREED

In the Nicene Creed, we say 'one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'. This refers to one baptism, the baptism of water, which is physically visible. I cannot administer the baptism of desire and it is not known to us human beings.So there is one baptism and not three or more known baptisms.There are no known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water.There is no literal baptism of desire, as says, Bishop Athanasius Schneider in the recent interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall.

FOUR MARKS OF THE CHURCH

So the Four Marks of the Church( one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic) must include affirming all Church documents with the rational and not irrational premise.

APOSTLES CREED

In the Apostles Creed, we say "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church".The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church even today, to say that outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.This would be interpreting the Apostles Creed with the rational premise.Otherwise the Creed would be saying outside the Church there is known salvation.

VATICAN COUNCIL II IS DOGMATIC

Vatican Council II is dogmatic and supports traditional EENS, with LG 8, LG 16 etc not being practical exceptions in the present times.

For Pope Paul VI, Vatican Council was pastoral and not dogmatic, since he used the false premise to create a break with the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors etc.If he had interpreted the Council with a rational premise then the Council would also be dogmatic in 1965.It would make Fr. John Courtney Murray sj, Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, Fr. Yves Congar op and Fr. Karl Rahner sj unable to theologicallysupport their liberalism.There would not be a New Theology.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ECCLESIOCENTRIC 

Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance are always hypothetical, theoretical and speculative only, they do not contradict the Church's traditional ecclesiocentrism. 

RELIGIOUS LIBERTY

The footnotes of Dignitatis Reditigratio, Vatican Council II refer to the Church in a secular state.With Vatican Council II ecclesiocentric and dogmatic, the Council would be an ally for a Catholic Government in a Catholic State. It would be important for the pope to be a Catholic to save their soul, since Vatican Council II is also saying outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation( Cantate Domino, Council of Trent 1441).The Catholic Government may choose to grant religious liberty to non Catholics as during the time of the Papal States in Europe. The roots of Europe are Catholic and not Christian, unless it refers to the Catholic Church.

COLLEGIALITY, SYNODALITY

Collegiality and Synodality are not an issue when Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric and supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since in a Synod all wold have to interpret the Council with the Rational Premise and the so support the past ecclesiocentrism of the Syllabus of Errors, EENS, Catechisms of Trent and Pius X etc.

TRADITIONAL MISSION

Since Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric we are back to Traditional Mission according to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. Every one with no known exception needs to enter the Catholic Church, with no mortal sin at the time of death, to avoid Hell ( for salvation).

The New Evangelisation of Pope Benedict rejects ecclesiocentrism when it interprets Vatican Council II with the Fake Premise. So the Church becomes Christocentric without remaining Ecclesiocentric as in the past.

It is only with ecclesiocentrism that there is a return to Traditional Mission. To save souls from going to Hell it is necessary  to have a Catholic Government in a Catholic State like Italy.The present secular, liberal or Communist states are Satanic.They are supported by Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise which says outside the Church there is known salvation.So every one does not have to be Catholic to go to Heaven is the new teaching of George Soros and the Rotschild family.They present a Council which presents exceptions for EENS.

So there is no real evangelization in Europe.Since in Europe people know about Jesus but they are not being told by the Church that it is necessary to believe in Jesus, while being a member of the Catholic Church, with Catholic faith and the baptism of water, for salvation ( to avoid Hell ).

Now with radio and television even people in the poor countries  of Asia and Africa know about Jesus but they do know tht he is the unique and only Saviour, who saves people  from Hell in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church according to the Bible is His Mystical Body.

SOCIAL REIGN OF CHRIST THE KING

The Catholic Identity Conference held recently mentions the Social Reign of Christ the King while interpreting Vatican Council II with the False Premise this is contradictory.It also mentions George Soros when the interpretation of the Council by the Lefebvrists is approved by George Soros and the Rothschilds.

Catholics are not told that outside the Church there is no salvation and that this is the teaching of Vatican Council II.So Catholics should vote for a Political Party which supports the Social Reign of Christ the King in politics.Christ must be the center of all politics. Christ must not restricted to the liturgy.

When Vatican Council II supports the dogma EENS which says outside the Church there is no salvation then Catholics have an obligation to support a Catholic political party or candidate, who interprets the Council rationally.

 Traditional Mission in the Church can only return when the Lefebvrists, Thucs  and others interpret Magisterial Documents with the Rational Premise and avoid the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.

Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

This irrationality is accepted by both the present two popes . So we have a political Left interpretation of the Council. There are two interpretations, one with the False Premise above and the other with the Rational Premise, which avoids the mistake above.How can invisible cases of the baptism of desire be objective exceptions to the practical teaching on all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

This irrationality is accepted by both the present two popes . So we have a political Left interpretation of the Council. There are two interpretations, one with the False Premise above and the other with the Rational Premise, which avoids the mistake above.How can invisible cases of the baptism of desire be objective exceptions to the practical teaching on all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water for salvation. 

TRADITIONIS CUSTODE AND VATICAN COUNCIL II.

A recent stage of this dynamic was constituted by Vatican Council II where the Catholic episcopate came together  to listen and to discern the path of the Church indicated by the Holy Spirit. To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who excercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Pietro et sub Pietro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself, who guides the Church.-Letter of Pope Francis which accompanies, Traditionis Custode.

Pope Francis calls Vatican Council II interpreted with a fake premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition, the work of the Holy Spirit.

How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake and use a false premise to interpret LG 14 ( baptism of desire) and LG 16 ( invincible ignorance) for example ?

For me LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases always. They are always speculative and not real people saved outside the Church in the present times, 1965-2021.This is something obvious.

How can LG 14, LG 16, etc be exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors ? Yet this is how Pope Francis and the Masons interpret Vatican Council II.It is different from  rational way. I interpret the Council. I consider the interpretations of Vatican Council II with the rational premise as being Magisterial.It is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Pope Francis cannot say the same.

With Traditional Mission and ecclesiocentrism the Catholic political parties can proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics  and the non separation of Church and State, as a priority to save souls from Hell.

These are the teachings and documents of the Catholic Church which I affirm.  -Lionel Andrades

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