Vatican Council II (Rational)
would not be a rupture with the ecumenism of return, of the Syllabus of Errors.
It would not contradict the interpretation of EENS (with no known exceptions) of
the Jesuit missionaries in the Middle Ages. The exclusivist ecclesiology of the
past centuries would be intact. This would be the theological basis for the
proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics.
The LMS and FIUV need to
issue a statement opposing the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II
by Cardinal Vince Nichols and the bishops in the U.K.
Joseph Shaw is the Chairman of the Federation International Una Voce and President of the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales, and teaches philosophy at the St. Benet Hall, Oxford University, England. He still interprets Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, being exceptions for the strict interpretation of 16th century EENS. So he implies that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to objective people, visible, who are examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church, without faith and baptism (AG 7).
BAD PHILOSOPHY
They would have to be visible and known. Since invisible people cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition. But we know that such cases are known only to God.They are invisible for us if they happen.
The Letter of the Holy
Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston (LOHO) made a mistake when it projected
unknown cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance
as being known exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.The same mistake was repeated in
Vatican Council II by the Council Fathers- Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar,Murray and
the cardinal-archbishop of Boston, Richard Cushing.It was with bad philosophy that they created a bad new theology.
So with the False
Premise ( invisible people are visible) the Benedictines and Dominicans at Oxford,
interpret Vatican Council II and produce a False Rupture with the theology of
St. Benedict and St. Dominic, and then offer Holy Mass in English or Latin.
To teach theology in
England, they, need a mandatum from the bishop and so does Joseph Shaw, John Rao,
Thomas Pink and John Lamont, who all use the False Premise.
MORTAL SINS OF FAITH
But with the False
Premise they reject the Athanasius Creed and change the meaning of the Nicene
Creed. This is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul
II ( Ad Tuendem Fidem).It is also schism with the Magisterium since the
Patristic period. So it is a mortal sin of faith which is supported by members
of the LMS and FIUV.
The Catechism of the
Catholic Church mentions mortal sins. To deny Jesus and His Church is a mortal
sin. Jesus has said that those who deny Him he will deny before the Father in
Heaven. In the Gospel of John, Jesus says that those who do not know the Son do
not know the Father. Those who do not believe in the Son will not have eternal
life. In John 3:5 Jesus says all need the baptism of water for salvation and in
Mark 16:16 Jesus says those who do not believe will be condemned.
CARDINAL VINCE NICHOLS AND ARCHBISHOP ROCHE USE THE FALSE PREMISE
When Joseph Shaw and
members of the LMS and FIUV interpret Vatican Council II like Cardinal Vincent
Nichols and Archbishop Arthur Roche, they support a break with the de fide
teachings of the Church, which are obligatory for all Catholics to believe in.
They are in schism with the past Magisterium, just like the liberals. They
reject the teachings of the Holy Spirit in the Church.
This rejection can no
more be justified with Vatican Council II ( Irrational ) since Catholics know
that the Council can be interpreted rationally and it is not a break with Tradition.
GAVIN D'COSTA, UNIVERSITY OF BRISTOL
Joseph Shaw has been
informed about this over the last few years and he refuses to issue a statement
on this issue. He would also not correct Prof. Gavin D’Costa at the University
of Bristol, England, who has written a book on Vatican Council II, published as
a paperback edition, in which he interprets the Council with the irrational
premise.
TRADITIONAL CUSTODE USES THE FALSE PREMISE
Joseph Shaw also did not
correct Traditional Custode when it used the False Premise to interpret Vatican
Council II and it was alleged that this was the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
This is human error. How can the Holy Spirit create a new teaching based upon an
objective and factual error? Where is the new revelation in the Church? It
cannot be there in Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
ALL THE PRIESTS IN ENGLAND CAN ONLY INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II HONESTLY
In England all the
priests at Holy Mass, in all rites, must affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope
Pius IX and the Athanasius Creed, since these Magisterial Documents are in
harmony with Vatican Council II( Rational ) and the Council can only be
interpreted rationally. It is unethical to use a False Premise to interpret
Vatican Council II and then suggest that the Council is a rupture with the
Syllabus of Errors and Feeneyite EENS.
THE LAITY MUST OBJECT WHEN VATICAN COUNCIL II IS INTERPRETED IRRATIONALLY.
The laity at even the
Novus Ordo Mass should object when Vatican Council II is interpreted with a
False Premise to create a New Theology, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelization,
New Canon Law, New Ecumenism etc. This is dishonesty.
The baptism of desire,
baptism of blood and invincible ignorance can only be interpreted rationally.
So they are not exceptions for 16th century EENS.
The Catechism of Pope
Pius X can only be interpreted rationally. So 29Q (invincible ignorance) is not
an exception for 24Q and 27Q (outside the Church there is no salvation in other
religions).
Cardinal Vincent Nichols must be asked to affirm the Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, rationally.
The Catholic Bishops Conference for England
and Wales will then have to come back to
Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 19, 2021
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj must announce that all cardinals, bishops, parish priests, rectors and religious sisters must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not the Irrational Premise, as suggested by Traditionis Custode
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj,must announce that all cardinals, bishops, parish priests, rectors and religious sisters must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not the Irrational Premise, as suggested by Traditionis Custode.Morally Catholics should not be expected to use a False Premise when a rational alternative is available which is traditional and non schismatic and non heretical.
Traditionis Custode creates division on the Eucharist it supports sacrilege and scandal when it changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II with a False Premise.This creates the New Theology. The New Theology and the old theology are related to who receives the Eucharist. Traditionis Custode interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and then it is cited for giving the Eucharist to the divorced and re-married, Protestants and non Christians.
Traditionis Custode promotes ecclesial division on the Eucharist with the Fake Premise. The laity are obliged to reject it and ask Pope Francis to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This would be Magisterial.They now have a choice.
The past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church is made obsolete with the use of the Fake Premise.The reasoning of the Fake Premise is invisible people are physically visible in 1965-2021. Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance), for example, becomes an example of visible salvation outside the Church.So it is claimed that there are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) etc).
So now when a bishop, Parish Priest or Rector, interprets Vatican Council II with the False Premise instead of the Rational Premise and gives the Eucharist to non Christians, the laity must know, that he really interprets the Council II irrationally, with the Fake Premise.He also expects them to do the same. This is the message of Traditionis Custode.It interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and creates ecclesial division on the Eucharist.
They must ask the bishops, Parish Priests and Rectors, to reject Traditionis Custode and interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise, this would be Magisterial.They could also ask Pope Francis to do the same. -Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 19, 2021
Eucharistic 'reforms' with Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise according to Traitionis Custode
DECEMBER 19, 2021
Traditionis Custode creates division on the Eucharist it supports sacrilege and scandal when it changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II with a False Premise to produce political liberalism in the Church.
DECEMBER 18, 2021
Traditionis Custode uses the false premise. Catholics are not obliged to follow it. It is immoral and unethical.This is ecclesial division
DECEMBER 18, 2021
DECEMBER 18, 2021
The interpretation of Vatican Council II with a Fake Premise is approved by the Left. It is ideological.It is not Catholic.It cannot be Magisterial since it is based upon an objective error which can still be avoided today
DECEMBER 16, 2021
In Traditionis Custode Vatican Council II is interpreted without the Rational Premise
NOVEMBER 30, 2021
Pope Francis, Cardinal Angelo Donatis and Archbishop Arthur Roche maintain restrictions on the Latin Mass based upon their interpretation of Vatican Council II with the False, Irrational Premise
NOVEMBER 29, 2021
Archbishop Arthur Roche refers to the old and new Magisterium with reference to Vatican Council II and the Latin Mass.But now we know that there is a Ratonal and Irrational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Roche is using the Fake Premise to create a ‘new magisterium’.
DECEMBER 18, 2021
DECEMBER 18, 2021
The interpretation of Vatican Council II with a Fake Premise is approved by the Left. It is ideological.It is not Catholic.It cannot be Magisterial since it is based upon an objective error which can still be avoided today
DECEMBER 16, 2021
In Traditionis Custode Vatican Council II is interpreted without the Rational Premise
NOVEMBER 30, 2021
Pope Francis, Cardinal Angelo Donatis and Archbishop Arthur Roche maintain restrictions on the Latin Mass based upon their interpretation of Vatican Council II with the False, Irrational Premise
NOVEMBER 29, 2021
Archbishop Arthur Roche refers to the old and new Magisterium with reference to Vatican Council II and the Latin Mass.But now we know that there is a Ratonal and Irrational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Roche is using the Fake Premise to create a ‘new magisterium’.
MONDAY, JULY 26, 2021
Pope Francis also has chosen the right hand side column : he can correct the error
-Lionel Andrades
JULY 25, 2021
Traditionis Custode was written with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, and so its conclusion was non traditional.Pope Francis needs to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, affirm Tradition and permit the Latin and Novus Ordo freely for those who do the same.
The whole Church is using a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the whole Church can change.
Every Catholic must interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise( blue column) and not the irrational premise( red column).
It is divisive and dishonest to use the common fake premise to interpret Vatican Council II and then reject Catholic Tradition( Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, EENS etc).
The SSPX, FSSP, CMRI,ICKSP,MHFM and the religious communities and Catholic organisations all use the irrational premise to interpret Vatican Council II.They also interpret other Magisterial documents with the same error.The same mistake is made by the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the present two popes.
So for Pope Francis to be Magisterial in the Church Documents he issues, he needs to use the rational premise.It would be dishonest to continue to use the irrational option to create an artificial rupture with Tradition.
Traditionis Custode was written with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, and so its conclusion was non traditional.
Pope Francis needs to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, affirm Tradition and permit the Latin and Novus Ordo freely for those who do the same.
Now he is interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, he rejects Tradition as expected.
The he only allows Holy Mass to be offered by those who make the same objective and factual error as himself.
Pope Francis must be asked to issue a correction. -Lionel Andrades
JULY 25, 2021
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a fake premise so Traditionis Custode cannot be Magisterial. He needs to publicly correct the error.
JULY 25, 2021
Pope Francis must interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so support Tradition and then permit the Holy Mass in all Rites for those who do the same
Pope Francis must interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so support Tradition and then permit the Holy Mass in all Rites for those who do the same.
Now he is interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise , producing the expected rupture with Tradition( outside the Church there is no salvation) and then permitting the Mass in all Rites, to only those who do the same.So the norm is a break with Tradition. -Lionel Andrades
JULY 22, 2021
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a fake premise so Traditionis Custode cannot be Magisterial. He needs to publicly correct the error.
Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the red column. Traditionis Custode permits the Latin Mass for communities which interpret the Council with the fake premise.It has banned the Latin Mass because communities in general do not interpret Vatican Council II with the fake premise and then accept the false conclusion, as he does.
This an objective and factual error of his. It is not the action of the Holy Spirit. There is no denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) ecclesiastics. They agree with me.
The pope and the CDF contradict the past Magisterium. This is schism.Since they interpret Vatican Council II with the red column,the fake premise, their understanding of the Creeds and Catechisms would be a break with Tradition.It would be schismatic and heretical.
This is a public scandal, not only for the pope and the CDF but also the cardinals, bishops and priests who accept Traditionis Custode and its false reasoning.
Pope Francis and the CDF need to correct their error and announce that they interpet Vatican Council II with the left hand column ( without the false premise) and so the pope had made an error in Traditionis Custode, which cannot be Magisterial, in its present form.
With the red column the pope has rejected the Athanasius Creed which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation.It does not mention any exceptions and this was how the past Magisterium accepted, it over the centuries.
John Henry Weston at Life Site News and Michael Voris at Church Militant TV are not reporting on this issue and neither are they interpreting Vatican Council II with the blue column ( without the false premise).
I interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise ( blue column ) so Vatican Council II (AG 7) supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), for me.It is in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX (without exceptions) and the Athanasius Creed (without known exceptions).
Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson,Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, Fr. Nevus Macello op, the apologist John Martignoni and diocesan priests in Rome also choose the blue column, like me.
If the FSSP priests in France accept and interpret Vatican Council II with the blue column the bishops and the CDF may still not allow them to offer the Latin Mass.They have to accept and interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds and Catechisms, with the red column to be approved by Pope Francis.
Will not their Mass be a sacrilege unless they officially correct the scandal ? Will not those who attend their Mass and receive the Eucharist be cooperating in the sacrilege? Would it be the same for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict ?
Would their Mass be a sacrilege since they have changed the meaning of the Creeds and Catechisms, have interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally,rejected the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed, in public.
They are in an impediment when offering Holy Mass, with the mortal sin of faith.In general this is how the priests offer Holy Mass in different rites. The false premise has spread in the Church like the Arian heresy of past times. -Lionel Andrades
APRIL 5, 2022
Vatican Council II (Rational) will bring unity in theology and doctrine within the Catholic Church.It was Vatican Council II (Irrational) which brought liberalism and theological division
Vatican Council II (Rational) will bring unity in theology and doctrine within the Catholic Church.This was not known to the Society of St. Pius X during their doctrinal talks with the Vatican during the pontificate of Pope Benedict.
It was Vatican Council II (Irrational) which brought liberalism and theological division into the Church. The liberal media would accuse the SSPX of being in schism, when really it was the liberalism of the media and the Vatican, which brought a separation with Tradition,schism with the past Magiseterium. With the False Premise non existing practical exceptions were viewed in Vatican Council II for the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Athanasius Creed and the dogma EENS.
Rome can now come back to the Faith as Archbishop’ Marcel Lefebvre wanted. He did not know that there were two ways to interpret Vatican Council II, with and without the False Premise.With Vatican Council II ( Rational) we have a coherence with the Patristic period. -Lionel Andrades
WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF
VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE
Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial. Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
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MARCH 23, 2022
The Latin laity in Dijon France must tell the diocesan priests, Bishop Roland Minnerath and Bishop Antoine Herouard to stop interpreting Vatican Council II with the False Premise. The Council is orthodox and traditional with the Rational Premise.
The Latin laity in Dijon France must tell the diocesan priests, Bishop Roland Minnerath and Bishop Antoine Herouard to stop interpreting Vatican Council II with the False Premise. The Council is orthodox and traditional with the Rational Premise.
-Lionel Andrades
MARCH 23, 2022
, MARCH 23, 2022
Young Catholics from a German traditional congregation allow the liberals in Germany to interpret Vatican Council II with the False and not Rational Premise
Here are young Catholics from a German traditional congregation that is allowing the liberals to interpret Vatican Council II with the False and not Rational Premise.They seem like typical Lefebvrists.
When the traditionalists are accused of being schismatic, heretical and sectarian for rejecting Vatican Council II, they keep quiet on this point .Instead they should say :
1) That no good Catholic should accept Vatican Council II, interpreted irrationally.
2) While every good Catholic should accept Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.
3) It is the liberals and the Masons who are heretical and schismatic when they choose to interpret Vatican Council II with the False Premise and the not the Rational Premise.
-Lionel Andrades
MARCH 22, 2022
Young Catholics Respond to Modernist Church in Germany
Young Catholics Respond to Modernist Church in Germany
The homosexualization of the Church is part of the vociferous agenda of the pink purple ideologues who have seized control of the church in Germany. Sin crying out to heaven is to be raised to the altars. The coming out of 125 employees and dignitaries of the Catholic Church a few weeks ago shows where the journey with the synodal path should go. A group of traditional young Catholics from Certamen Germany have created a video in response to this outing. They write about it:
"In times of crisis, sacred tradition remains the infallible rule of faith, the criterion for distinguishing the Catholic from the non-Catholic" (Roberto de Mattei). Many Catholics, especially the German bishops and most of their clergy, seem to have forgotten this healthy rule. Instead of renewing the Church from within through its tradition, they escalate their reform intentions into ever more absurd fantasies, which ultimately only result in one thing: the apostasy from the Catholic faith and thus the destruction of the Catholic Church.
We traditional Catholics want to counter this doomed reform attitude, which seems to find its climax on the synodal path in Germany:
- We do not want any other Church than that founded by our Lord Jesus Christ.
- We want priests who are aware of the dignity of their ordination and of their associated mission.
- We love the old Mass because it focuses on God and not on people.
- We want to convert the world to the Catholic faith and not adapt the Catholic Church to the world.
- We rely on what the great holy Pope Pius X was once convinced of: "The true friends of the people are neither reformers nor innovators, but the traditionalists."
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG
https://www.theeponymousflower.com/2022/03/young-catholics-respond-to-modernist.html
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