Bishop Athanasius Schneider said that
there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. Dr. Taylor Marshall agreed
with him in the interview. Marshall said there are no explicit cases of St.
Thomas Aquinas’ implicit baptism of desire. This is a given. We cannot meet or
see someone saved with the baptism of desire. We cannot give someone the
baptism of desire. But even though he understood all this, Bishop Schneider did
not interpret Vatican Council II rationally. In subsequent interviews with
Steve Bannon and Eric Sammons he did not say that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA
2, GS 22 etc are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council
(1215).
He knows by now that the irrational premise produces heresy and schism. It changes the interpretation of the Creeds. This is an impediment to offering Holy Mass. It violates Canon Law.
Why? Why did he not tell them that there
were no explicit cases of LG 8, 14 and 16? There are no literal cases of NA 2,
UR 3 or GS 22 known to us since 1965.
May be he received a threat.
He could have been told that if he would
interpret Vatican Council II rationally he could not be a bishop in the
Catholic Church. He could not be juridical person in the Catholic Church. May
be even legally, he could not be allowed to call himself Catholic.
There was a priest some 20 years back in the USA.It was said that he interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846/LG 14) and Tradition. The American bishops asked him to leave the Church. He went to live with a Protestant community. He was literally outside the Church, for the USCCB and the Left, for non politically, affirming the dogma EENS in harmony with the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II.I was told about this story by a seminarian friend when I was at the Legion of Christ seminary in Rome.
This was about the time the Legion of Christ priests at their university
UPRA and seminary PIMME in Rome were telling me I had to choose between
becoming a priest in Rome or accepting
Feeneyite EENS.I was reminded about Fr. Leonard Feeney and was told my
scholarship from Propaganda Fide would be cancelled.
Same old story. I stayed with EENS and worked on my misconceptions on
Vatican Council II until I tied up that loose end too.
The USCCB over the last 20 years and
more has been interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally. Since
this is a political issue. For them, there exist, literal and explicit cases of
the baptism of desire.
How can you have a Church with everyone
accepting Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally for political reasons? – Lionel Andrades
APRIL 10, 2023
What if there is no development of doctrine, no development of EENS in Vatican Council II? What if Bishop Athanasius Schneider is wrong? What if the new theology is based on a mistake in perception?What if Pope Benedict was wrong? When will Bishop Athansius Schneider discuss this? (April 26,2016)
TUESDAY, APRIL 26, 2016
What if?
There have been so many reports on this blog but Bishop Athanasius Schneider will still not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to the 16th century missionaries.So he had no comment when Pope Benedict said the dogma had been developed by Vatican Council II.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider misses the bus again
APRIL 10, 2023
I have said it before. Everyone agrees with me. I am only being rational. I affirm the official teachings of the Church. I am faithful to the Magisteriuim. Only when Magisterial Documents are interpreted ethically that they can be Magisterial Magisterial Documents can only be interpreted rationally. This is ethical. There is no liberalism in what I say.
APRIL 2, 2023
I have said it before. Everyone agrees with me
I have said it before. Everyone agrees with me.
At Holy Mass in Italian or Latin everyone agrees with me. I could show them these three charts and they all will agree with me.
1) Salvation Badge (extended)
2) Invisible cases in Vatican Council II.
3) Exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church today.
So they are all Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). They support, as Catholics, the dogma EENS defined by the Fourth Lateran Council (1215),the Council of Florence, Cantate Domino (1442), the Catechism of Pius X and the other catechisms, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II, interpreted rationally.
They would all agree with me at the Latin Mass at the SSPX chapel in Rome or the Salesian basilica of the Sacred Heart, Termini, Rome. They would agree with me at the Paulist Fathers’ church of St. Patrick, for the American community in Rome. It would be the same at the Daughters of St. Paul book shop near the Vatican and the FSSP church in Rome.
So irrespective if they used the 1962 Missal or the New Missal they would agree with me on these three documents above.
Why? Since I am saying something obvious. It is common knowledge. It is common sense. It is a philosophical observation. It is something physically see by all people irrespective of their theology or religion. So even Pope Francis and all the cardinals and bishops would have to agree with me. All.
The whole Church is really saying the same
thing as me. There is no division on this issue.
This is not a personal view only. It is
everyone’s view. Even the cardinals and
bishops at the Vatican agree with me. - Lionel Andrades
1. SALVATION BADGE (Extended)
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO
SALVATION
JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16
VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/
Lumen Gentes 14)
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH 846
CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM
OF POPE PIUS X
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215),
COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (1442)
Name:Lionel Andrades
https://twitter.com/AndradesLionel
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Blog: eucharistandmission ( Lionel’s blog).
THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE NOT KNOWN PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS IN 1965-2023.AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).
2. INVISIBLE CASES
THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith…
… These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. – Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II
3. EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church…- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 845-846
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.- Catechism of the Catholic Church
846 …Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door…
Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved."
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
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