Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate interpret Vatican Council II rationally and support Tradition : the Council only supports the ecclesiology of the 1962 Missal. There is no other rational and ethical option

 

APRIL 27, 2023

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must know that Fr. Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre, Roberto dei Mattei and Mons. Brunero Gherardino made a mistake on Vatican Council II.

 

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must know that Fr. Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre,Roberto dei Mattei and Mons. Brunero Gherardino made a mistake on Vatican Council II.

They projected Vatican Council II as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So, for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, refer to physically visible non Catholic cases in the present times. This is a false premise. Since LG 8 etc are always invisible for us human beings.

Then they assumed that there were visible cases of salvation outside the Church and that these were objective exceptions for the dogma EENS (Fourth Lateran Council 1215).This was an irrational inference. So there was a false premise and a false inference with which they interpreted Vatican Council II.

Then they concluded that Vatican Council II rejected EENS and the past ecclesiocentrism. The Athanasius Creed had become obsolete. It says everyone needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation.

This was the way Pope Benedict and the liberal theologians reasoned and Lanzetta, Gnerre, Mattei and Gherardino followed them. It is the same with the new administration of the FFI, which replaces the Commissar.

Now we have a rational choice. We can interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being only theoretical and hypothetical. They exist only in our mind. We cannot meet or see someone saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) or in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or elements of sanctification and truth in other religion (LG 8), or where someone is saved outside the visible boundaries of the Church, where the true Church ‘subsists’ (LG 8) etc.

So when Vatican Council II is no more a break with Tradition the Council should no more be a problem for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. The Council becomes a problem for the liberals. The Council becomes a problem for the new administration of the FFI. They are now dishonestly interpreting the Council with the fake premise and inference and want everyone to do the same for canonical and official recognition.  -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html

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 APRIL 26, 2023

This is the moral thing to do

 FFI NEW ADMINISTRATION INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II           IRRATINALLY

The seminary and old Church of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, in Boccea, Rome of Fr. Stefano Mannelli ffi., is not being opened since legally the Vatican and the Left, want the Latin-group, to accept Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and not rationally. They themselves, the ecclesiastical hierarchy, will not interpret the Council rationally. This is a legal issue.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate must challenge the election of the new administration which interprets Vatican dishonestly. Why must the whole community, men and women religious, interpret the Council irrationally and unethically?

They are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally even after being informed. They are doing in intentionally.

So they also change the understanding of the Nicene Creed, the Athanasius Creed and the Catechisms. This is not the Catholic Faith.

The seminary and old church are closed because Fr. Stefano Mannelli fi and the Comitato dell Immaculata will not accept Vatican Council II interpreted dishonestly.

ALL RELGIOUS COMMUNITIES MUST INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II RATIONALLY.

All religious communities (Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, and Jesuits etc) must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This is being honest. This would be legal. Both groups of the FFI must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Vatican Council II (irrational) brings division into the Catholic Church. It is dishonest.

The Comitato dell Immaculata must not hand over the old seminary and church to any religious group, which does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally.

Now the Novus Ordo Mass is being offered by Fr. Bruno Afonso and the new administration at different churches and parishes and no one objects.Why is Mass offered in Italian by the FFI priests, who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, instead of rationally at the church, for example, at the Annunziata at Lungotevere, near the Vatican ? Here lives Fr. Giuseppe Grioni fi, the former Parish Priest of the FFI at the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, where the FFI seminary is located. Other priests live here who are approved by the new administration. Can they interpret the Council rationally and live there at this church and offer Mass in Italian?

Now with Vatican Council II (irrational) these priests are also supporting the Synod with all its innovation and liberalism.

FRANCISCAN SISTERS OF THE IMMACULATE.

At Casino, Italy, Mass is offered by FFI priests who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and even the religious sisters, attend Mass, do the same. The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate must announce that they will only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This is the moral thing to do.

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have to live and work under a new administration, which interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically. This is immoral.

The Council must only be interpreted rationally. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc must refer to hypothetical cases only. This is a given. This is common sense. This is how the Franciscans of the Immaculate Sisters too must interpret the Council and ask the new administration to do the same. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-seminary-and-old-church-of.html

 APRIL 26, 2023

Franciscans of the Immaculate : the issue is no more the Latin Mass

 There is no more a Commissar for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. The priests who make up the new administration reject Tradition by accepting Vatican Council II interpreted only irrationally. The founder of the community Fr. Stefano Manelli fi has been set aside since he rejects Vatican Council II interpreted ir-rationally.

The new administration needs to affirm Vatican Council II (rational) and ask Cardinal Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj, the former Commissar, to do the same.

When they interpret Vatican Council II rationally then they could be expelled. For then they would be affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no known exceptions. The Jewish Left and the Vatican did not accept this when it was done by the SSPX General Statement 2012. Morally this is the thing to do for a Catholic - interpret the Council rationally.

So the issue now is no more the Latin Mass.Since if the FFI accepted Vatican Council II ( irrational) they could be allowed to offer the Latin Mass as in the case of the FSSP, ICKTKGS etc.

The issue is :is Vatican Council II interpreted with a rational or irrational premise. If those who offer the Novus Ordo Mass interpret the Council in harmony with the Council of Florence (1442) they will be expelled. But this is the right thing to do for a Catholic.  -Lionel Andrades

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/franciscans-of-immaculate-issue-is-no.html

APRIL 25, 2023

The Comitato dell Immaculata must demand that the new administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate interpret Vatican Council II rationally and re-open the FFI seminary and old church in Boccea, Rome,. The Council is no more an issue

 

The Comitato dell Immaculata must demand that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) seminary and old church in Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, be re-opened. Since the issue is no more Vatican Council II for the FFI.It is Pope Francis, the cardinals and bishops who must accept Vatican Council II interpreted only rationally. So they will then become traditionalists immediately. The Council interpreted rationally supports the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church. There is no other choice.

We now have the possibility of creating unity in doctrine and theology in the Church after the New Theology was produced with the mistake of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. The error was repeated at Vatican Council II (1965-2023).It was inserted in the Denzinger and not corrected in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

So now there are two interpretations of the Catechism of Pope Pus X (29Q- invincible ignorance) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 (invincible ignorance, visible or invisible).The conclusion is different when they are interpreted either as being physically visible or physically invisible.

So the new Administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate have an obligation to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and demand that both groups do the same.  -Lionel Andrades

 APRIL 23, 2023

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI the new Minister General of the Order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II. I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/since-vatican-council-ii-is-issue-for.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-comitato-dell-immaculata-must.html

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APRIL 23, 2023

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI the new Minister General of the Order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II. I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

 

HOW DO THE NEW ADMINISTRATION OF THE F.I INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II ?

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI was the new Minister General of the order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II.

I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

HOW WOULD FATHERS AQUALI AND ZANGERATTI ANSWER THESE TWO POINTS?

1.For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical cases only, always. They refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.Is it the same for Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi ?

2. I affirm the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are not objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 1949-2023. So they are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Fourth Lateran Council. They do not contradict the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. 

Do Father Aquali fi and Fr. Zangherati fi, accept the Fourth Lateran Council and also hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc? Can they recite and affirm the Athanasius Creed?

I AFFIRM THE 1215 COUNCIL AND HYPOTHETICAL CASES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

I attend the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass and 1.affirm the Fourth Lateran Council and 2.hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. which do not contradict the Fourth Lateran Council. Vatican Council II is not a break with Feeneyite EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology for me.

LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3 etc are always hypothetical and exist only in our mind. This is common sense. There are no defacto and practical cases in our reality. We cannot meet someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. He or she if saved, would be in Heaven. So such cases do not exist in our reality to be exceptions for Feeneyite EENS i.e. EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence (1442).- Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/04/since-vatican-council-ii-is-issue-for.html

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APRIL 23, 2023

They must also make it clear to the community and Catholics at large that they are interpreting Vatican Council II with a fake premise and inference.According to Italian secular law they must not lie or deceive intentionally.So there is a problem with secular and canon law.

From left to right, Frs. Alfonso Bruno, Immacolato M. Acquali, Gianfranco Ghirlanda SJ, Massimiliano M. Zangheratti, Johnfrancis M. Lim

https://airmaria.com/2022/05/19/new-government-for-the-franciscan-friars-of-the-immaculate/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_Friars_of_the_Immaculate

The Apostolic commission for the Franciscans of the Immaculate came to an end on 13 May 2022, Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI was elected the new Minister General of the order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi was elected the new Vicar General. They were approved by the Commissar Cardinal Gianfranco Ghirlanda sj. If they continue to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally even after being informed it is dishonest.With Vatican Council II irrational they have to re-interpret and change the understanding of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms.Changing the meaning of these Magisterial Documents is prohibited under Canon Law.According to Canon Law they must affirm Catholic beliefs and not change them. With Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally the result is heresy and schism.

They must not force Vatican Council II (irrational) upon the whole community. Instead they must choose Vatican Council II rational.

They must also make it clear to the community and Catholics at large that they are interpreting Vatican Council II with a fake premise and inference.According to Italian secular law they must not lie or deceive intentionally.So there is a problem with secular and canon law.-Lionel Andrades

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Rev. Fr. Immacolato Ma. Acquali, FI, (seated) Minister General of the Franciscans of the Immaculate is joined by (from left to right) Rev. Fr. Giuseppe Ma. Ortiz, FI, Vicar, Philippine Delegation; Rev. Fr. Januarius Ma. Tindoy, FI, Delegate Superior, Philippine Delegation; Fr. Immacolato, Minister General, Rev. Fr. Conrad Ma. Flores, FI, Local Superior, FFI Naga Community, and Fra Francisco Ma. Olofernes, FI, operations manager of DWRV 98.3 FM. The Minister General was in Naga, October 5-8, for a canonical visit of their Bicol mission and other Philippine missions. Radio Caritas Mariae (RCM) 98.3 FM since 1995 is the media apostolate of the Franciscans of the Immaculate-Bicol Mission. https://www.bicolmail.net/single-post/minister-general-visits-bicol-mission

JULY 3, 2020

Franciscan of the Immaculate lawyers need to confirm if their clients are Catholics

There are two groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and both sides have their lawyers. It would be useful if their lawyers could clarify that their clients are Catholics.Presently both groups interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise creating a new understanding of the Creeds, Catechism and other Magisterial documents.

The lawyers could clarify that in general the books and articles on Vatican Council II a) are written with a false premise, inference and conclusion 2) and their clients avoid this false premise, inference and conclusion 3) and they interpret Vatican Council II rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

So without this common error, their clients are Catholics for whom LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical and theoretical cases. They are not personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church in 2020.

So Vatican Council II is not a rupture with exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church for their clients.Vatican Council II has a 'hermeneutic of continuity' with EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.

Their client cannot legally be Catholic and consider invisible people as being visible. This is a false premise.It is a lie.

Then their inference would be wrong.Since there are no known examples of salvation outside the Church based on invisible non Catholics being visible.There would be a false conclusion with the irrational premise.It would be saying that Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition.

When the two communities interpret Vatican Council II with a false  premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with the Creeds, Catechisms and dogma EENS  then how can they legally be considered Catholics ?

According to Canon Law a Superior, Rector and Parish Priest has to be Catholic.

According to Italian secular law a Superior etc who claims he is a Catholic has to be a practising Catholic, otherwise it is telling a lie.

The judges and magistrates who work with this case have studied at universities where they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion.This has been the objective error of the popes from Paul VI to Francis.

Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise . The premise would be invisible cases of LG 8, LG 16 etc are always invisible.

So Vatican Council II would then not be a rupture with Tradition.It would be in harmony with EENS, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X( 24 Q, 27 Q)  etc.

The Church would once again teach that it has a superiority and exclusiveness in salvation without rejecting Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 28, 2019

Reconciliation withthe Franciscans of the Immaculate : all three groups need to interpret Magisterial documents with 'the red not being an exception to the blue'

There could be a reconciliation between the two groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Vatican and the means is rational theology supporting traditional doctrine.All three groups can agree that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. They need to interpret Magisterial documents with the 'red' passages not being an exception to the 'blue'.1

A beginning in the reconciliation can be made with the Franciscans of the Immaculate( Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I) announcing that Lumen Gentium does not contradict Tradition and especially the past ecclesiology.He would be correcting a mistake made by all the Franciscans of the Immaculate.He would be saying that the red passages in Lumen Gentium are not a rupture with the blue orthodox passages.

This would be admitting that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the bishops of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) also made a mistake.So did Fr. Serafino Lanzetta and Prof. Roberto dei Mattei.They interpreted red theoretical and hypothetical passages as being exceptions to the blue passages which support the past ecclesiology.This is irrational. Yet upon this irrationality is based the new theology of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.

Even Pope Paul VI made this error. He did not interpret Vatican Council II with Lumen Gentium not being an exception to Tradition.He could have announced that the red is not an exception to the blue. But he did not do this and every one is following his error in the interpretation of the Council .

Once this error is put aside both groups can interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the Mystics of the 16th century and the Church Fathers, the Early Church, on exclusive salvation in the Church.There would no more be a rupture with Tradition.

This would mean philosophy and theology would be constant ; the same, for the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).

Presently there is a rupture. Since the CDF and the Franciscans interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.

The passages marked in red are exceptions to the passages in blue for both groups of the Franciscans and also the CDF.

Once this error is identified all three groups can choose the same theology and philosophy.

I have sent e-mails over the years to the Secretary General of the F.I,Father Alfonso Maria Bruno,  mentioning that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I). Similarly there are no personally known cases of non Catholics saved in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.So there are no practical and literal exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.

There has been no response but also no contradiction. I assume that all the Franciscans agree with the obvious. If any one was saved with BOD, BOB and I.I it would only be known to God. So it would not be an exception to the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX supporting the past ecclesiology.
If they all agree that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the past teaching on the Church having an exclusiveness in salvation we are all back to the old ecclesiology supported by Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II would no more be an issue. It would not have to be rejected.-Lionel Andrades

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MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS CAN BE INTERPRETED WITH 1)THE RED PASSAGESBEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES OR WITH 2)THE RED PASSAGESNOT BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES.THE LATTER(2) IS RATIONAL.

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

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Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)

Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

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 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

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Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II

First, the council professes its belief that God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness. We believe that this one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men. Thus He spoke to the Apostles: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have enjoined upon you" (Matt. 28: 19-20). On their part, all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know, and to hold fast to it.

This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.

Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ.-Dignitatis Humane 1, Vatican Council II

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 Catechism of the Catholic Church

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  

846

 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

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APRIL 19, 2023

CDF agrees with me

 

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, and Archbishop Augustine di Noia, Secretary, CDF, recognize their past mistakes. They would agree with me on these three pages marked in golden (1, 2, and 3).

It is an issue of common sense. It would be obvious even for those who are not Christian.

1. Outside the Church there is no salvation is the teaching of the Church Councils, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

2. Hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are not objective exceptions in 1965-2023 for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).

3. The Church still teaches that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. This is taught through the Bible,  Vatican Council II, the Catechisms, the Creeds, Councils etc.  - Lionel Andrades

 

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OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE 

IS NO SALVATION

JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16.

VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/ Lumen Gentes 14).

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846

CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X

FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (1442).  

THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE  NOT KNOWN PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS IN 1965-2023.AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR  AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).

       2.           INVISIBLE CASES

THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX.

This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II

 Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

 But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.

 Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith…

… These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. – Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II

The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.

All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II

     

3. EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church…- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 845-846

845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.- Catechism of the Catholic Church

 846 …Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door…

 Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.-Athanasius Creed

 Fourth Lateran Council (1215): "There is but one  universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved."

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