I had been communicating with Mary Ann Kreitzer for many years, now and then, on and off and she would refer to me as ‘Lionel’. Now that I am interpreting Vatican Council II rationally, unlike her SSPX, and I affirm the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), she refers to me as ‘Mr. Andrades’. She is unable to affirm the Fourth Lateran Council on extra ecclesiam nulla salus and interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc rationally in harmony with 12th century EENS, for some reason.Oh, the fickleness of the trads.-Lionel Andrades
APRIL 4, 2023
Could you ask someone at the SSPX Headquarters to let us know what is their official position on this issue ? The priests here in Rome have conflicting or no views. They are afraid. Since this is a political subject. The SSPX interpretation of Vatican Council II is political. You know it.
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Dear Mary Ann Kreitzer,
Praised be Jesus.
When Bishop Schneider was interviewed by Dr. Taylor Marshall he said that there were no literal cases of the baptism of desire. Marshall confirmed it. He said that there were no explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas' implicit baptism of desire.
This is reality. We cannot meet any one saved with the baptism of desire.
Could you let us know what do you think ? Is Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire) referring to only a hypothetical and theoretical case for you? In our 'exchanges' before you did not answer this question.
Then could you ask someone at the SSPX Headquarters to let us know what is their official position on this issue ? The priests here in Rome have conflicting or no views. They are afraid. Since this is a political subject. The SSPX interpretation of Vatican Council II is political. You know it.
The SSPX is following the Vatican and the Left on Vatican Council II.The Council is not a rupture with Tradition.
Is it possible for you to send this comment to someone responsible in the SSPX. Plese ask him simply : Does LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to a subjective or objective case, someone invisible or visible in 1965-2023, someone unseen or seen, someone unknown or known.
John Martignoni the apologist says they refer to invisible cases.
Fr. Stefano Visintin osb the former Rector and Dean of Theology at the University of St.Anselm says the same.
Archbishop Thomas Gullickson in a reply to my question, has also answered in the affirmative on his blog.
In Christ
Lionel Andrades
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JANUARY 28, 2011
MARY ANN KREITZER EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS LINKED TO ABORTION AND PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS
I wish Mary Ann Kreizer could affirm the ex cathedra dogma which is directly linked to these two issues , abortion and funding for persons who do not affirm Catholic teachings.
Could she begin by saying publicly that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) means everyone with no exception needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation ?
2. If someone objects that Lumen Gentium 14, indicates a person can be saved in invincible ignorance, who is not formally a member of the Church then respond: Lumen Gentium 14 only mentions the possibility of someone being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience. We accept this in principle as a concept. De jure.
There is so much disinformation on this subject (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) on Wikipedia. I wish Mary Ann Kreitzer could clarify for them the actual church teaching.
The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned -Wikipedia
Catholic interpretation
The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase: "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851 as follows- Wikipedia
Here is that ex cathedra dogma,
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.The three Councils assumed that if there was anyone in invincible ignorance etc it would be known only to God.
2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org
Yet in Mary Ann Kreitzers archdiocese, Cardinal Donald Wuerl was on the USCCB Doctrine Committee which issued a Notification on Fr. Peter Phan. It said everyone needs to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc.
The USCCB’s ‘Except for …’ is a straw man, a decoy, it’s the denial of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
If Catholics can be excused for not believing in an ex cathedra dogma then why should they be expected to affirm Church teachings on abortion, homosexuality, paedophile…?
If Jeffrey Mirus will not affirm the ex cathedra dogma in public, with its ‘rigorist interpretation’ of outside the church there is no salvation, is he not in mortal sin?
Fr.Tissa Balasuriya OMI was excommunicated for denying the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady are not Mirus and the pope automatically excommunicated?
If we can make exceptions for Mirus and the pope, can we not do so also for pedophile priests, for abortion....?
Should Catholics end donations to Jeffrey Mirus or to Peter’s pence? - Lionel Andrades
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Mary Ann Kreitzer has a bachelor's degree in English from Trinity College in Washington, D.C., and a master's degree in Public Administration from George Washington University. As a certified instructor of Natural Family Planning, she taught NFP for 15 years at Providence Hospital in Washington, D.C. She is the president of both Les Femmes and The Catholic Media Coalition organizations dedicated to promoting and defending authentic Catholic faith and culture.Mrs. Kreitzer is active in Church and community affairs and promotes full-time motherhood as an essential and irreplaceable vocation. She especially values time spent with her five children, their spouses, and her 18 grandchildren. She writes from the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia on pro-life, pro-family, and Church issues.All columns are copyrighted, but may be published in print or Internet media if the copyright notice, including the author's name and a link to www.fgfBooks.com, is printed along with the column. If possible, please notify the Fitzgerald Griffin Foundation when you have used one of the columns, and send a link if available.
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