Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI the new Minister General of the Order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II. I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

 

HOW DO THE NEW ADMINISTRATION OF THE F.I INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II ?

Since Vatican Council II is an issue for the recognition of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi., Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI was the new Minister General of the order and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi the new Vicar General could tell us how do they interpret Vatican Council II.

I do not interpret Vatican Council II like Corrado Gnerre and Roberto dei Mattei.

HOW WOULD FATHERS AQUALI AND ZANGERATTI ANSWER THESE TWO POINTS?

1.For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical cases only, always. They refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.Is it the same for Father Immacolato M. Aquali FI and Father Massimiliano M. Zangherati fi ?

2. I affirm the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are not objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 1949-2023. So they are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Fourth Lateran Council. They do not contradict the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. 

Do Father Aquali fi and Fr. Zangherati fi, accept the Fourth Lateran Council and also hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc? Can they recite and affirm the Athanasius Creed?

I AFFIRM THE 1215 COUNCIL AND HYPOTHETICAL CASES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

I attend the Novus Ordo and Latin Mass and 1.affirm the Fourth Lateran Council and 2.hypothetical cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc. which do not contradict the Fourth Lateran Council. Vatican Council II is not a break with Feeneyite EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology for me.

LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3 etc are always hypothetical and exist only in our mind. This is common sense. There are no defacto and practical cases in our reality. We cannot meet someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. He or she if saved, would be in Heaven. So such cases do not exist in our reality to be exceptions for Feeneyite EENS i.e. EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence (1442).- Lionel Andrades