Saturday, May 13, 2023

The Oblates of St. Joseph are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally with ‘the red being an exception for the blue’ while parishioners at the church San Giuseppe all’ Aurelio, Cornelia, Rome, do not know the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, on mortal sins leading to Hell and the need for Confession.

 

The Oblates of St. Joseph are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally with ‘the red being an exception for the blue’ while parishioners at the church San Giuseppe all’ Aurelio, Cornelia, Rome, do not know the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, on mortal sins leading to Hell and the need for Confession.

For me the passages marked in red in Vatican Council II, refer to invisible cases in 2023 so they do not contradict the passages marked in blue, which refer to orthodox passages which the support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).But for the Oblates and the parishioners at this church the red passages are exceptions for the blue ones. In other words, they are visible non Catholics saved outside the Church. So they become practical exceptions for the dogma EENS. The Athanasius Creed is made obsolete and the Syllabus of Errors is something of the past. There is a break with Tradition. There is a new version of the Nicene Creed, with the irrational re-interpretation of Vatican Council II.


I interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so there are no practical exceptions in the text of the Council, for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. The Council is traditional for me. The red is not an exception for the blue.

This is not known to the parishioners. The Oblates are not telling them about this.

Parishioners do not know what a mortal sin is and they still stand in line for the Eucharist at Mass.

I was talking briefly to a lady after Mass this morning at the church and she did not know the simple teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and was repeating Pope Francis’ political slogan, to cover everything, i.e., ‘God is Merciful’.

The Oblates are not going to tell her the truths of the Faith otherwise they will be tagged under some leftist label and transferred. I know it has happened to a priest at this church before. - Lionel Andrades

 MAY 12, 2023

The parishioners in the church San Giuseppe All Aurelio are not obliged to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and dishonestly. They are not obliged to change the Creeds. The Oblates of St. Joseph must affirm the Catholic Faith before they offer the Sacraments at his church, which is alongside their General Curia house.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/05/an-oblate-of-st.html



JANUARY 9, 2021

The Conciliar Church is missionary in the traditional sense when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism.It's another way of looking at the Council-text. 'The red is not an exception to the blue'

 The Conciliar Church is missionary in the traditional sense when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism and not Cushingism.It's another way of looking at the Council-text. 'The red is not an exception to the blue'. - Lionel Andrades


JANUARY 9, 2021

Vatican Council II is a missionary Council. It is Feeneyite

 Vatican Council II is a missionary Council. It is Feeneyite. - Lionel Andrades





 JANUARY 15, 2020

The books by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are as obsolete as those of the liberals Kung and Kasper, since he used a false premise to interpret the Council and did not know how the Council could be interpreted without the irrationality.So today it is no more an issue of traditionalists versus the liberals.Both camps are Cushingite and not Feeneyite on Vatican Council II.

The books by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are as obsolete as those of the liberals Kung and Kasper, since he used a false premise to interpret the Council and did not know how the  Council could be interpreted without the irrationality.So today it is no more an issue of traditionalists versus the liberals.Both camps are  Cushingite and not Feeneyite on Vatican Council II. 
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For all of them 'the red was an exception to the blue', when the red really referred to 'zero cases', 'zero passages' in Vatican Council II. 1
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So the books by Roberto dei Mattei, Paulo Pasqualucci, Cristina Siccardi and others sold at the SSPX chapel are also obsolete.They assume the red is an exception to the blue and so misinterpret the Council.
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They were correct in their conclusion that the Church was  a rupture with Tradition.
But they were not aware of their Cushingite interpretation of the Council which causes the break with Tradition. They also did not interpret Vatican Council II, with Feeneyism, to affirm the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
There are no physical bodies  of non Catholics saved without faith and baptism, in Newton's time and space. To assume there are such cases and then make a new theology based upon this irrationality, is not Catholic Tradition.Yet this was done by the traditionalists too after they accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
This is the new theology of the traditionalists and liberals, the former reject the conclusion and the latter accept it. Neither of the two interpret the Council without the irrationality and accept the traditional conclusion.
-Lionel Andrades



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FEBRUARY 9, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II
HTTPS://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.COM/2019/02/THE-RED-IS-NOT-EXCEPTION-TO-BLUE-NEW.HTML

JANUARY 28, 2019

In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th- century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html

 

FEBRUARY 4, 2019

Nei documenti magistrali il rosso non è un'eccezione al blu, il rosso non contraddice il blu: con il blu c'è un'ermeneutica di continuità con la Tradizione (extra ecclesium nulla salus del 16 ° secolo , Sillabo degli Errori di Pio IX, ecumenismo del ritorno, esclusivista ecclesiologia ecc. ) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/nei-documenti-magistrali-il-rosso-non-e.html



The red passages are an exception to the blue passages for Cardinal Kasper but not for me. What will be his reaction when Cardinals Burke and Brandmuller and Monsignors Ganswein and Bux also say that the red is not an exception to the blue ? So there are no exceptions in magisterial documents to the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, an ecumenism of return and an ecclesiology which supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. No magisterial document contradicts traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II


 THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II 
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


 DOMINUS IESUS 


IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts 9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf. Col 1:24-27),47 which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).48 And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.49 This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).50
Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.51 Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.52
The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession53— between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.54  With the expressionsubsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,55 that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.56 But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
-Dominus Iesus 16. 

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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII


( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)
 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those  things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
 is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, 
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
 necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

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 JANUARY 29, 2019

Pope Francis' ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, like that of popes Benedict, John Paul II and Paul VI, is based on 'the red being an exception to the blue'.This is the new theology also used by the CMRI in the Diocese of Manchester

Pope Francis' ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, like that of popes Benedict, John Paul II and Paul VI, is based on 'the red being an exception to the blue'.This is the new theology.
The St. Benedict Center's ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue, to create new members in the Catholic Church, is based on 'thered  is  not being an exception to the blue'.


The issue gets complicated when the sedevacantist Bishop Mark Pivarunas of the Congregatio Mariae  Reginae Immaculatae(CMRI), also in the Diocese of Manchester,USA, supports an ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue, with the need for non Catholics to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell- but for them too, like for Bishop Peter Libasci, , ' the red is an exception to the blue'.
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The CMRI are also traditionalists like the St. Benedict Center(SBC).But for the SBC, 'the red is not an exception to the blue'.So they are called Feeneyites.
To be a Feeneyite is to say that 'the red is not an exception to the blue'.
For the Feeneyite the blue passages in magisterial documents support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the red passages are not exceptions.

But for  the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the CMRI and the SSPX it is the opposite.These traditionalists use the New Theology, of the liberals.
So the diocese of Madison,on their website, have cautioned Catholics not to attend Holy Mass at the CMRI  chapel,since (even though they accept that 'the red is an exception to the blue' and they are not aware of it) they do not accept Pope Francis as the pope.
The pope affirms the New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Theology. For him there is no ecumenism of return and the need for non Catholics to enter the Catholic Church, for salvation(to avoid Hell).
Like the CMRI, for Pope Francis, 'the red is an exception to the blue'.However the pope accepts the non traditional conclusion and they reject it and so go into sedevacantism.
-Lionel Andrades


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