VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONAL NOT MENTIONED
The SSPX priest in his sermon yesterday
morning at the SSPX chapel in Rome was critical of Amoris Laetitia and Synod
and I agreed with what he was saying. It was a good sermon, well researched.
However he did not point out that the SSPX interprets Vatican Council II
irrationally, just like Pope Francis. Then Pope Francis justifies the
liberalism with Vatican Council II (irrational). The SSPX priest did not say
that the Council could be interpreted rationally.
LIBERALISM IS JUSTIFIED WITH VATICAN COUNCL II IRRATIONAL ONLY
The main argument for liberalism in
the Church is Vatican Council II (irrational). This is the arguement made by Pope Francis to justify his liberalism in faith, morals, ecclesiology, mission etc.The SSPX does not respond by
citing Vatican Council II (rational) as an alternative.
The Instrumentum Laboris of the Synods was based on Vatican Council II (irrational).This was not mentioned by the new priest at the chapel yesterday.Why not?
May be it is because Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
made a mistake and interpreted the Council only irrationally. The SSPX bishops
are doing the same.
WHY MENTION RAHNER, CONGAR ETC WHO CHOSE VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONAL
A week back another SSPX priest at this
chapel was critical of the liberals at Vatican Council II. But did not mention
that they were interpreting the Council irrationally and dishonestly.
Why mention Rahner, Congar, Murray,
Kung, Balthazar etc when the Council can be interpreted rationally? They were
all interpreting the Council irrationally? They were all interpreting the
Council irrationally like Michael Davies, Dietrich von Hildebrand and
Archbishop Lefebvre.
WITH THE RATIONAL PREMISE THE COUNCIL IS ALWAYS TRADITIONAL
Rahner and Congar are now obsolete. We
can re-interpret the Council rationally and there is a hermeneutic of continuity
with the past exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional mission. This is mission based upon there
being only exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We simply choose the rational premise. It makes Rahner, Balthasar etc irrelevent.
We don’t have to follow Pope Francis’ New Evangelization which has its foundation on Vatican Council II (irrational). So he proclaimd Christ without the necessity of being a member in the Catholic Church.
WE DO NOT ACCEPT SYNODS BASED UPON VATICAN COUNCIL II INTERPRETED IRRATIONALLY
We also do not have to accept the Synods based upon Vatican Council II, irrational. Since morally, the Council must only be interpreted rationally. So Pope Francis cannot justify Traditionis Custode and Amoris Laetitia with Vatican Council II.The cardinals cannot do this any more.
The College of Cardinals and the new consistory for September must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and take the Catholic Church back to Tradition. This is the only choice also before Cardinal-designate Victor Manuel Fernandez. - Lionel Andrades
JULY 5, 2023
Vatican Council II interpreted rationally is in harmony with Tradition, the Council is Feeneyite irrespective of what Rahner, Congar, Ratzinger, Kung, Murray, Bea and others said or did there
Last Sunday morning at the Latin Mass at the SSPX chapel in Rome Fr. Federico Montani was telling us about the mechanics at Vatican Council II i.e the political working of the liberals at the Council etc.
Who cares?
I could say to myself, 'Who cares anymore?
Vatican Council II interpreted rationally is in harmony with Tradition, the Council is Feeneyite irrespective of what Rahner, Congar, Ratzinger, Kung, Murray, Bea and others said or did there.. –Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/last-sunday-morning-at-latin-mass-at.html
JULY 1, 2023
The SSPX must stop publishing magazines (La Tradizione Cattolica etc) with the Council interpreted irrationally and as a rupture with Tradition : Don Louis Sentagne and Don Pier Paulo Petrucci make the same mistake
The SSPX District Superior , Italy, Don Louis Sentagne, in Albano, Italy, Father Federico Montani and the other SSPX priests at Albano, Italy, are still selling books with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. This is unethical. It is dishonest.
MAGAZINE TRADIZIONE CATTOLICA IS BASED UPON VATICAN COUNCIL II (IRRATIONAL)
The SSPX must stop publishing magazines (La Tradizione Cattolica etc), with the Council interpreted irrationally and so as a rupture with Tradition. They are doing this even after being informed.
SSPX PRIEST REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTION
The SSPX priest Fr. Federico Montani, in Rome at the SSPX chapel, when asked about LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc Vatican Council II will not respond. He will not clarify what is common sense i.e. LG 8, LG 14, lG 16, UR 33, NA 2, GS 22 etc, always refer to only hypothetical cases. They refer to invisible people in 2023.So they cannot be objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) of Pope Honorius III, who also approved the Order of Preachers of St. Dominic Guzman.
He refuses to answer when asked and tells the youth there to also not answer this question.
NOVUS ORDO MASS CAN HAVE THE 12TH CENTURY ECCLESIOLOGY
The SSPX priests in Rome in their sermons also do not say that at the Novus Ordo Mass - if the priest would interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, old Councils and Catechisms and EENS rationally, he would be affirming the past ecclesiology of the Church. The priest at Mass in Italian, for example, would have to affirm the understanding of Church as it was known in the 12th to 16th century. This would be the Novus Ordo Mass having the ecclesiology of the Roman Missal of the 16th century. This would be the Roman Missal used in the SSPX chapel.
CARDINALS ROCHE, SARAH AND ARINZE ARE IRRATIONAL
It is only because Cardinal Arthur Roche interprets Vatican Council II irrationally that there is ‘a new Magisterium’ for him. It is his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, by confusing what is invisible as being visible, that he is able to produce a rupture with Tradition.
Now Cardinal Sarah and Cardinal Francis Arinze’ Holy Mass in Italian is based upon the false interpretation of Magisterial Documents ( Creeds, Councils etc) and so there is a false rupture with Tradition, including the Missal used by the SSPX today.
SENTAGNE CANNOT CORRECT THE CARDINALS
The SSPX District Superior, Fr. Louis Sentagne cannot ask Cardinals Sarah, Arinze and Roche to come back to Tradition and interpret the Council rationally - since he himself is interpreting the Council irrationally.
MAINLINE CHURCH'S INNOVATION DEPENDS UPON VATICAN COUNCIL II (IRRATIONAL).
In the main line Church in Rome they give the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried, women living with non Christians and to non Christians in general who come up to receive the Eucharist. This is because Vatican Council II is seen as a break with Tradition. When Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition for the SSPX priests even, then in the main line Church they ask, why cannot they innovate on faith and morals. This creates division in the Church and the SSPX supports it.
TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
It is important to note, that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational. The majority of people interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. Even the popes, cardinals, bishops and priests in general, interpret LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, irrationally. They confuse these invisible cases as being visible in the present times. With this false premise there is a false non traditional conclusion. So the New Theology says outside the Church there is known salvation; there is salvation..-Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 20, 2023
Don Louis Sentagne and Don Federico Montani who offer the Latin Mass at the chapel of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) in Rome are not saying that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical, theoretical, speculative and invisible cases in 1965-2023.This puts an end to so much of non-sense we have been hearing for a long time - the propaganda in the name of the Latin Mass.
Don Louis Sentagne and Don Federico Montani who offer the Latin Mass at the chapel of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) in Rome are not saying that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical, theoretical, speculative and invisible cases in 1965-2023.
This puts an end to so much of non-sense we have been hearing for a long time - the propaganda in the name of the Latin Mass.
Did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre make a mistake? Of course, he did. It was the common mistake of the liberals in The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney (LOHO-Letter of the Holy Office).The mistake was repeated at Vatican Council II. Cardinal Ratzinger did not correct it.
All the books on Vatican Council II at the SSPX libraries are wrongly interpreting LG 8, 14, 16 etc, as being non hypothetical, non theoretical, non speculative and visible cases in 1965-2023. So the Council has produced exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.
It is with this false reasoning; with the invisible- people- are- visible premise and inference that Michael Matt, Peter Kwasniewski, Roberto dei Mattei, Taylor Marshall, John Henry Weston, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Raymond Burke, the late Fr. Nicholas Gruner,John Venari,Michal Davies, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishops Pivarunas and Sanborn, and the SSPX bishops have interpreted the Council. They chose the irrational option which produces a rupture with Tradition.
But the homilies at the SSPX chapel in Rome are authentic and real. They still are Catholic. This is because the SSPX priests go back to Tradition and ignore Vatican Council II, which they interpret irrationally like the rest of the Church.
If you go to an SSPX Mass and hear the sermon you can still save your soul from Hell. Since the priests speaks about sin, God’s Judgment and Hell.He does not have to choose the new moral theology based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
Last Sunday Father Louis Sentagne spoke about mortal sin and the person being automatically excommunicated and on the way to Hell. Sentagne, the District Superior of the SSPX in Italy, said this was the case of someone who is a Freemason.
He was speaking about Silvio Berlusconi, who admitted being a Mason and was married and divorced many times.Yet he was given a funeral Mass in the cathedral of Milan.
Father Louis Sentagne can speak like this since he is not limited like in the mainline Novus Ordo Church. He does not have to adapt to aa new moral theology based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
There is also a new salvation theology in the mainline Catholic Church. Last Sunday at the Augustinian Recollect church, Sant Ildefonso and Tomasso Villanova, Rome, the young priest said salvation through Jesus is open for all. This is true. But it is only the first part of the teaching. He did not say that to receive this salvation all must believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church. He could not say that there was exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Since he interprets LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being known non Catholics saved outside the Church. He also accepts the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being practical and objective exceptions for Feeneyite EENS, as mentioned wrongly in the 1949 LOHO. So he is restricted by Vatican Council II irrational, unlike the SSPX priests, who also interpret the Council irrationally like him, but reject the non traditional and heretical conclusion. He accepts it.
The Augustinian Recollect priest and the SSPX priests could stay with Tradition by interpreting Vatican Council II rationally like me i.e. LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, always refer to only hypothetical cases.They return to the old ecumenism.
So the non Catholic youth at the ecumenical meeting on Sept 30 in Rome are outside the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) are oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. This is the Concliar teaching. It is the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching. It is not just Tradition from the 12th to 16th century.
Those who follow Martin Luther will go to Hell said Padre Pio. He is cited in an article by Fr. Stefano Mannelli ffi, in the magazine IL Settimanale di Padre Pio published by the Franciscans of the Immaculate.1 The Catholic Church has not retracted the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation says an article in the FFI publication, Christ to the World.This is a missionary magazine, in different languages, whose distribution has been blocked by the Rome Vicariate. - Lionel Andrades
1
https://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1013-padre-pio-said-that-martin-luther-is-in-hell-says-founder-of-franciscans-of-the-immaculate
https://marysarmy742128112.wordpress.com/2020/07/29/blessed-maria-serafina-saw-martin-luther-in-hell/
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Don Louis Sentagne and Don Federico Montani who offer the Latin Mass at the chapel of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) in Rome are not saying that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical, theoretical, speculative and invisible cases in 1965-2023.
This puts an end to so much of non-sense we have been hearing for a long time - the propaganda in the name of the Latin Mass.
Did Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre make a mistake? Of course, he did. It was the common mistake of the liberals in The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney (LOHO-Letter of the Holy Office).The mistake was repeated at Vatican Council II. Cardinal Ratzinger did not correct it.
All the books on Vatican Council II at the SSPX libraries are wrongly interpreting LG 8, 14, 16 etc, as being non hypothetical, non theoretical, non speculative and visible cases in 1965-2023. So the Council has produced exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc.
It is with this false reasoning; with the invisible- people- are- visible premise and inference that Michael Matt, Peter Kwasniewski, Roberto dei Mattei, Taylor Marshall, John Henry Weston, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Raymond Burke, the late Fr. Nicholas Gruner,John Venari,Michal Davies, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishops Pivarunas and Sanborn, and the SSPX bishops have interpreted the Council. They chose the irrational option which produces a rupture with Tradition.
But the homilies at the SSPX chapel in Rome are authentic and real. They still are Catholic. This is because the SSPX priests go back to Tradition and ignore Vatican Council II, which they interpret irrationally like the rest of the Church.
If you go to an SSPX Mass and hear the sermon you can still save your soul from Hell. Since the priests speaks about sin, God’s Judgment and Hell.He does not have to choose the new moral theology based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
Last Sunday Father Louis Sentagne spoke about mortal sin and the person being automatically excommunicated and on the way to Hell. Sentagne, the District Superior of the SSPX in Italy, said this was the case of someone who is a Freemason.
He was speaking about Silvio Berlusconi, who admitted being a Mason and was married and divorced many times.Yet he was given a funeral Mass in the cathedral of Milan.
Father Louis Sentagne can speak like this since he is not limited like in the mainline Novus Ordo Church. He does not have to adapt to aa new moral theology based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
There is also a new salvation theology in the mainline Catholic Church. Last Sunday at the Augustinian Recollect church, Sant Ildefonso and Tomasso Villanova, Rome, the young priest said salvation through Jesus is open for all. This is true. But it is only the first part of the teaching. He did not say that to receive this salvation all must believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church. He could not say that there was exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Since he interprets LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being known non Catholics saved outside the Church. He also accepts the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being practical and objective exceptions for Feeneyite EENS, as mentioned wrongly in the 1949 LOHO. So he is restricted by Vatican Council II irrational, unlike the SSPX priests, who also interpret the Council irrationally like him, but reject the non traditional and heretical conclusion. He accepts it.
The Augustinian Recollect priest and the SSPX priests could stay with Tradition by interpreting Vatican Council II rationally like me i.e. LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, always refer to only hypothetical cases.They return to the old ecumenism.
So the non Catholic youth at the ecumenical meeting on Sept 30 in Rome are outside the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) are oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. This is the Concliar teaching. It is the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching. It is not just Tradition from the 12th to 16th century.
Those who follow Martin Luther will go to Hell said Padre Pio. He is cited in an article by Fr. Stefano Mannelli ffi, in the magazine IL Settimanale di Padre Pio published by the Franciscans of the Immaculate.1 The Catholic Church has not retracted the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation says an article in the FFI publication, Christ to the World.This is a missionary magazine, in different languages, whose distribution has been blocked by the Rome Vicariate. - Lionel Andrades
1
https://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1013-padre-pio-said-that-martin-luther-is-in-hell-says-founder-of-franciscans-of-the-immaculate
https://marysarmy742128112.wordpress.com/2020/07/29/blessed-maria-serafina-saw-martin-luther-in-hell/
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JUNE 20, 2023
Understanding L.A in five steps
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/understanding-la-in-five-steps.html
JUNE 20, 2023
Questions and Answers : Evangelizing with Vatican Council II
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-evangelizing-with.html
JUNE 20, 2023
Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It has an exclusivist ecclesiology
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-vatican-council.html
JUNE 20, 2023 Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II affirms the Social Kingship of Christ the King
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-vatican-council_20.html
JUNE 29, 2015
Since February 5, 2014 there is no clarification from Father Pier Paolo Petrucci, the District Superior of the SSPX in Albano, Italy.
JUNE 20, 2023
Understanding L.A in five steps
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/understanding-la-in-five-steps.html
JUNE 20, 2023
Questions and Answers : Evangelizing with Vatican Council II
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-evangelizing-with.html
JUNE 20, 2023
Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It has an exclusivist ecclesiology
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-vatican-council.html
JUNE 20, 2023 Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II affirms the Social Kingship of Christ the King
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/questions-and-answers-vatican-council_20.html
JUNE 29, 2015
Since February 5, 2014 there is no clarification from Father Pier Paolo Petrucci, the District Superior of the SSPX in Albano, Italy.
- In an article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II and the loss of the missionary spirit in the Catholic Church (1) , the District Superior Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci assumes imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) and good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. So for him Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with UR 3, NA 2 etc.
- Then he will not affirm the traditional position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he assumes that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. They would have to be all these qualities for them to be visible exceptions to the need for all to convert into the Church.1
- Father Pierpaolo Petrucci, the SSPX District Superior, Italy has made a doctrinal error in an article he has written in Italian. The same error is present in books being distributed by the SSPX, Italy.There is no denial or clarification from the Fraternità Sacerdotale San Pio X (FSSP), Albano.These blog posts have been sent to him.The FSSP Albano usually issues a clarification when they want to support their position or correct a view. 2
- If the SSPX Superior would consider all salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II as implicit, de jure and known only to God, then Vatican Council II would not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities 3
- In an article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II and the loss of the missionary spirit in the Catholic Church (1) , he assumes imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) and good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. So for him Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with UR 3, NA 2 etc.
- Then he will not affirm the traditional position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he assumes that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. They would have to be all these qualities for them to be visible exceptions to the need for all to convert into the Church since outside the Church there is no salvation.4
- There is no text in Vatican Council II which contradicts Cantate Domino, unless like Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci, one assumes those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are visible to us on earth.This is an irrationality in the interpretation of the Council and the fault is not with the Council.
- To consider the dead now saved in Heaven to be visible to us on earth is a factual error. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. It is this factual error which prevents the SSPX Superior from seeing Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition on the issue of ecumenism.5
SATURDAY, MARCH 1, 2014
SSPX still selling books with objective error
He cites Pius IX and Vatican Council I but omits Vatican Council II since he assumes there are known exceptions. The dead-saved in Heaven are visible exceptions on earth!?
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