Sunday, July 23, 2023

The Vatican needs to issue a statement on the books written on Vatican Council II.Even secular and non Catholic sources recognise the mistake in all these books.

 

The Vatican needs to issue a statement on the books written on Vatican Council II.Even secular and non Catholic sources recognise the mistake in all these books. The present books interpret the Council as a break with Tradition when they view LG 8, 14, 15, 16. UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 1965-2023.This is irrational. I interpret them as being only hypothetical cases. For me they refer to invisible people in our human reality. If they exist they can only be known to God.There are no physically visible cases of someone saved with the baptism of desire etc in 2023.We cannot say that there were 20 cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance last year.

For example, organizations like Catholic Answers, Catholics United for the Faith and  the Jesuits have produced books, talks, on line articles and apologetics with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. They interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc are being visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they reject this dogma of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) etc.It did not mention any exceptions. 

Trent Horn in this video can be seen interpreting Lumen Gentium 15 irrationally and then projecting exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as affirmed by Brother Peter Dimond.


The Vatican allows these un-necessary debates to continue as all these years, they did not correct the same mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. That Letter took it for granted that invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.

The Vatican websites have an error when they interpret LG 8,14,15,16 etc as referring to physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and the baptism of water, in 1965-2023.

 Jimmy Akins at Catholic Answers has written books in which he has interpreted LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc irrationally. In this way he projects  the Council as a rupture and not a continuity with the dogma EENS of the Council of Florence (1442). Since the interpretation of Vatican Council II is related to the Creeds Jimmy Akins version of the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed is as heretical as that of the popes from Paul VI to Francis.

Jimmy Akins rejects the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church only by re-interpreting the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, with the false premise, inference and non-traditional conclusion. In this way he rejects Feeneyite EENS and is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican.

The Catholic Answers apologetics is appreciated on many other subjects in which this error is not there. However they interpret the salvation dogma with an objective error which can even be recognized by secular and non Catholic sources.

On the internet there are reports of Catholic Answers claiming that they have rebutted someone, while CA interprets the Creeds heretically and re-interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and does not comment upon this or deny it.

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, is also interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and contributing to this confusion. The DDF/ CDF made a mistake in the 1949 Letter to the Archbishop of Boston.The DDF must announce that new books on Vatican Council II must only interpret the Council rationally.

This mistake is there in many books of the  Angelus Press of the SSPX. Since even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops did not interpret Vatican Council II, rationally. They repeated the error of Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Balthazar, Bea, Ottaviani... -Lionel Andrades


ULY 6, 2020

Ignatius Press and Angelus Press books on Vatican Council II are interpeted with a false premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/ignatius-press-and-angelus-press-books.html

JULY 5, 2020
We know that there is a hermeneutic of discontinuity with Vatican Council II and the pope is still trying to defend the Council interpreted with the false premise,inference and conclusion. He is not disclosing the secret for the discontinuity, the precise cause
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html

JULY 5, 2020


Archbishop Vigano can go back to the Catechism of Pope Pius X only when he avoids the common false premise


JULY 5, 2020


This is big news.The entire Church made a mistake in Vatican Council II and they can correct the error taking the Church back to the 1930's theology and doctrine on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/this-is-big-newsthe-entire-church-made.html


JULY 4, 2020



Protecting the false premise : Catholic News Agency, Vigano, Schneider, Negri, Mattei and Weston, they do not want to mention it

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/protecting-false-premise-catholic-news.html


JULY 1, 2020

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Doctrinal confusion still remains at Ferrara.




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FEBRUARY 11, 2020



Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) to create a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc).


Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) to create a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc).
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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) CONTRADICTS FEENEYITE EENS ONLY WHEN AN IRRATIONAL PREMISE IS USED. 

FEBRUARY 9, 2020

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-Lionel Andrades

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) (Graphics)

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 FEBRUARY 11, 2020
Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a false rupture with Tradition, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed etc.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/rome-life-forum-2020-speakers-interpret.html


JULY 2, 2020


All the books on Vatican Council II in general are written with a false premise, inference and conclusion and so are the books by the Lefebvrists, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Chris Ferrara, the last Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Roberto dei Mattei, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They all have an error.

All the books on Vatican Council II in  general are written with a false premise, inference and conclusion and so are the books by the Lefebvrists, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Chris Ferrara, the last Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Roberto dei Mattei, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They all have an error.-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 12, 2020


50 years of Vatican Council II - drama is over : the Council, EENS, Creeds, Catechisms and BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted rationally

50 years of Vatican Council II drama is over : the Council, EENS, Creeds, Catechisms and BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted rationally.
  
 
   

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-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 12, 2020


Michael Sean Winters, Massimo Faggioli, John Allen jr and Joshua McElwee agree that even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Richard Cushing and Joseph Ratzinger were there at Vatican Council II. the Council can be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. Then it will be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), with no known exceptions. None of them are disputing this. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/michael-sean-winters-massimo-faggioli.html

FEBRUARY 10, 2020

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Father John Zuhlsdorf irrationally interprets Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Creeds and Catechisms and BOD,BOB and I.I like Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and John Allen jr.: they use the false premise, inference and conclusion. 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/father-john-zuhlsdorf-irrationally.html

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 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

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