Wednesday, April 14, 2010

At Fatima did Our Lady refer to 'the dogma of the faith' being extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?

At Fatima did Our Lady say that ‘In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc…’ or did she just say that only in Fatima the faith will still remain.


Italian journalist Antonio Socci, who is described as a "former friend" of Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (current Vatican secretary of state) and is author of a highly controversial and speculative book entitled The Fourth Secret of Fatima.

The book hypothesizes that there was unrevealed text that accompanied the vision, revealed by the Vatican in 2000, that ended up constituting the third "secret" of Fatima as described by the sole surviving seer, Sister Lucia dos Santos, who said after the first two parts of the prophecy she was shown images as in a mirror of martyred priests, a Pope being killed, and an angel set to torch the world (with a flame quenched by the Blessed Mother.
No text was ever revealed by Rome to accompany that vision, nor is there any firm evidence
whatsoever that such a text ever existed.

It is Socci's contention that words Sister Lucia once mentioned as the sentence ending the first two parts and leading into the third secret ("In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc..") implies that more text was to follow and relates to a Church crisis.-from the webiste Spirit Daily  14 th April 2010
Which dogma of the faith is Our Lady referring to?
Is it this one?

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.).

2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS) http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholiicchurch.blogspot.com/
Socci who has written The Fourth Secret of Fatima refers to 'the dogma of the faith'.

It is Socci's contention that words Sister Lucia once mentioned as the sentence ending the first two parts and leading into the third secret ("In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc..") implies that more text was to follow and relates to a Church crisis.


"For a long time this beginning of the third secret has led to the conviction that the natural sequel is something catastrophic for the Church, and also for the world," writes the author, whose book was a European bestseller and also popular among certain segments of English-speaking Catholics. "Father Joaquin Alonso, the official archivist of Fatima, considered the greatest expert on the subject (who died in 1981), commented thus on the opening words of the Madonna: 'This phrase clearly implies a critical state of the faith from which other nations will suffer, and thus a crisis of the faith. If 'in Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved,' it can clearly be deduced that in other parts of the Church these dogmas will be obscured or even lost... It is therefore probable that the text refers concretely to the crisis of faith in the Church and to the negligence of the pastors themselves.' Some years later Father Alonso will even write that the secret speaks of 'internal struggles in the womb of the Church and of grave pastoral negligence by the upper hierarchy,' and 'deficiencies of the upper hierarchy of the Church.'"

That much is true: Father Alonso, who was assigned the task of preparing a definitive study of Fatima for the local bishop, believed that the phrase about Portugal clearly implied a grave Church crisis, and in fact this is being witnessed across Europe, where church attendance has plummeted and where the very role of Christianity in European history is being obscured.-Spirit Daily
Was it the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

"One conclusion does indeed seem to be beyond doubt," said Father Alonso. "The content of the unpublished part of the secret does not refer to new wars or political upheavals, but to happenings of a religious and intra-Church character, which of their very nature are still more grave."

When the secret was revealed in 2000, it was done after an extensive meeting between Sister Lucia and Cardinal Bertone and with an interpretation fashioned by then-Vatican Secretary of State Angelo Sodano, who is now dean of the College of Cardinals.-Spirit Daily, ATTACKS ON THE VATICAN LIKELY TO FUEL FIRE OF THOSE WHO QUESTION 'THIRD SECRET' OF FATIMA





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