In a review of his report on CatholicCulture.org it was mentioned that there were two interpretations of Vatican Council II. Mirus has chosen one which contradicts the dogma.
His e mail says:
Lionel: Even those of us who support Fr. Leonard Feeney agree there is a possibility of non Catholics being saved ‘in certain circumstances’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949).This is not in conflict with the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus . The dogma says everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and there are no exceptions. So everyone needs to be a formal member of the Church to avoid Hell, the infallible teaching says, and, we know if there is anyone with invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire or blood or a good conscience it will be known only to God.
Lionel,
No, sorry, this is not what the dogma says or means, as many teachings of the Magisterium make clear.
Jeff Mirus
Trinity Communications
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Jeffrey A. Mirus, Ph.D.,Trinity Communications,Trinity Consulting,Fax 703-636-7654,jmirus@trincomm.org
Jeffrey Mirus also contradicts a report by Brian Kelly which quotes the actual dogma.
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Jeff Mirus Uses Vatican II and Saint Paul to Contradict Defined Dogma on Salvation
by Brian Kelly August 06th, 2010
I wonder sometimes why conservative Catholic thinkers like Dr. Mirus find the literal sense of the dogma, No Salvation Outside the Church, so distasteful. They have no problem giving an “uncertain sound” on their trumpets by giving non-Catholics a hope for salvation where they are: outside the Church. And they call this “charity.” Charity rejoices in the truth, Saint Paul teaches, and what Jeff Mirus has written in his column for today is not the truth. It is an affront to charity. For now, my refutation will be to post the teaching of an infallible doctrinal council (Vatican II, as every theologian knows, and several popes have affirmed, was not a defining council). The reader can easily see that what Mirus alleges to be the teaching of Vatican II contradicts the teaching of the Council of Florence and Eugene IV’s bull Cantate Domino, which was issued during the council in 1441.
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”
Catholic Culture reports: The Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation (Dei Verbum) cites St. Paul’s letter to the Romans when it asserts the possibility for salvation for non-Catholics and even for non-Christians. The assertion is made in the process of explaining the stages of Revelation. I’ve argued many times that this possibility has always been held by the Church. Indeed, the Letter to the Romans shows that a proper understanding of the question was already outlined in Sacred Scripture itself.( Catholicism.org )
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Here is the actual ex cathedra dogma referred to by Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office in 1949 and which Fr.Leonard Feeney affirmed.
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.
2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/
The ex cathedra teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church.
...it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.). Ex CathedraCatholic Culture denies that the above infallible teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church with no exception.
...none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation…
...No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” - (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra
There is a report in TIMES Monday, Oct. 13, 1952 which is available on the internet (Religion:I Preach Hatred). It criticizes Fr. Leonard Feeney. It says the Archbishop of Boston suspended the Jesuit priest because 'he took literally the Catholic doctrine that “outide the church there is no salvation” i.e insisting that everyone who is not a good Cathlolic will go to hell. '
Yet this was the text of the Catholic ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which TIME would dare not publish. It indicates all Jews and other non Catholics are on the path to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church, the only Church of the Jewish Messiah with whom God made an everlasting Covenant for all time. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/time-magazine-circulates-false.html
Catholic Culture suggests that this is the teaching of the Catholic Magisterium but does not cite any document.
Note: There are can be two intrerpretations of Vatican Council II
1. According to Jeffrey Mirus and the Jewish Left media.
The ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everybody needs to be an explicit member of the Church and there are no exceptions however according to Dei Verbum ,Lumen Gentium 16 etc a person can be saved who is not a member of the Catholic Church. So Vatican Council II refutes or contradicts the infallible teaching.
2. According to Lionel Andrades in accord with the dogma and Tradition.
The ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everybody needs to be an explicit member of the Church and there are no exceptions and if a person is saved who is not a member of the Catholic Church (LG 16,Vatican Council II etc) then this will be known only to God. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the infallible teaching.
The dogma carries the same message as Dominus Iesus 20.
20. From what has been stated above, some points follow that are necessary for theological reflection as it explores the relationship of the Church and the other religions to salvation.Feenyism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church at the time of Fr.Leonard Feeney and even today.
Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”.77 This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”... '
Dominus Iesus indicates that Feeneyism is the ordinary path of salvation (Redemptoris Missio 55).There is no theology which can say that non Catholic religions are paths to salvation (CDF, Notification,Dupuis 2001).So if someone is saved in another religion it is known only to God. The Church still teaches that everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation.
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