SSPX’S BASIC ERROR IS IN ECCLESIOLOGY : VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A TRADITIONALIST DOCUMENT

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) assumes that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The error is with the SSPX and it is in  ecclesiology. Their  concept of church has changed and it is the same as the liberals since they believe that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known explicitly to us and so are exceptions to the dogma. The church is no more ecclesiocentric for them. The fault is not with Vatican Council II but with them.

If the SSPX has the humility to admit its error Vatican Council II would emerge as a traditionalist Council for them.

• If cases of invincible ignorance and being saved with a good conscience are known to them on earth then LG 16 contradicts the dogma on salvation. Then Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus . 

• If cases of invincible ignorance and being saved with a good conscience (LG 16) are not known to them on earth then LG 16 does not contradict the dogma or Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II. Then Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional interpretation of the dogma. 

So it means  Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric since we do not know any case of a person saved in invincible ignorance etc.

There is only model in Ecclesiology, it is the traditional ecclesiocentric one.

If it is said in ecclesiology that the Church is communion -fine!- however the Church is also ecclesiocentric according to Vatican Council II (AG 7). Vatican Council II is saying that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. This is a traditionalist document.

If it is said that there is collegiality or another model of being Church, still, the Church is ecclesiocentric.Every one needs to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation ( AG 7) and there are no known exceptions. It is possible for someone to be saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience and though we accept this in principle, we do not not any particular case on earth for it to be an exception to the dogma and AG 7. So those who need to enter the Church, all of them in the present time with no exceptions, include Protestants and Orthodox Christians.

This is the teaching of the Church in Vatican Council II and we do not know any one saved with the seeds of the Word or in imperfect communion with the Church.

So the SSPX error is in ecclesiology and it spills out in ecumenism, other religions and religious liberty. The error is not there in Vatican Council per se.

There are two questions that the SSPX bishops and priests need to be asked. Could someone in contact with them, ask them these two questions and then e-mail me their answer.

1. Do we know people in Heaven, or on earth, saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire ? Yes or No.

2. If we do not know any such person then those saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus i.e there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and there are no known exceptions?

(With reference to Question 1 they may say that it is possible to be saved in invincible ignorance etc. Agree with them and then come back to the question.)

(With reference to Question 2 if they say that the Church teaches that invincible ignorance etc is an exception mention that no magisterial document says that these cases are explicit and so are exceptions to the dogma. Church texts only mention invincible ignorance, implicit desire etc.

Then come back to the question and ask if they know any such person personally.) -Lionel Andrades
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-ad.html#links