Neither are other priests in the diocese of Southwark who offer the Novus Ordo Mass able to provide the answer- even though it is common knowledge that we do not know anyone saved on earth in invincible ignorance or an implicit desire.
With reference to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 there are two possibilities. The Letter says:
1. Implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicitly known and so contradict the literal interpretation of the dogma.There is confusion on this point in the Letter.
2. Implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are known only implicitly, we do not know any explicit case. So it does not contradict the literal interpretation of the dogma .
If the priests in Southwark would realize that implicit desire etc can only be implicit, then the Letter of the Holy Office would not contradict ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’( Letter of the Holy Office 19549). If implicit desire was explicit and we knew these cases on earth,saved, then implicit desire and invincible ignorance are explicit exceptions tot ‘the dogma’ and the so the Letter of the Holy Office e1949 made a mistake.
Presently priests from Southwak are saying that the Holy Office made a mistake buy endorsing ‘the dogma, ‘the infallible teaching’. The text of the dogma is the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is in agreement with the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience to ‘ecclesial authority’ and not for heresy. The Church did not ask him to recant before the lifting of the excommunication.
So when the Letter refers to the dogma it is referring to Fr. Leonardf Feeney's understanding of the of the dogma. The dogma does not mention any exceptions since the baptism of desire etc can only be accepted in principle. This was the teaching the Catholic Church for centuries. If the Letter of the Holy Office assumes that implicit desire is explicit then it is a mistake.
-Lionel Andrades
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In order to live, practice and love one's Catholic Faith it is only natural to have questions. There was a time when a Catholic could ask a question and receive basically the same answer in any part of the world. Such has not been the case for the last have century.
When dealing with Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire and Invincible Ignorance it would be reasonable to ask, how does this happen?, who judges the person?, when does this judgement take place? What living conditions led to these possibilities? Why were these possibilities contemplated in the first place? What role would grace play in these possibilities?
What examples could be provided to teach these possibilities? Who would know that someone died in this state?
Since Baptism of water in no way guarantees Salvation, how could anyone possibly think that a theoretical less traveled route would lead to Salvation and be known to us on earth? Would not Baptism of Desire also need to be accompanied with a life of sanctity? Baptism of Desire by itself does not mean guaranteed Salvation; only a theory.
Think of Baptism of Water as the answer to the test question. Think of Baptism of Desire as the answer to the test without a teacher, without studying, without cramming the night before and without the knowledge that unless a man be born again of WATER and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Yes it would be selfish and arrogant not to hope that the Holy Trinity, God, Jesus, Holy Ghost and Blessed Mother might say to an aborted baby 'that this day you will be with me in Paradise'. This can be our prayer but to teach that this is the case just as in teaching that Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood or Invincible ignorance are known to us and is an exception would be a very arrogant and presumptuous affront on the design of Heaven and God Himself.
As a Catholic I have a right to know on how the logistics work on getting the soul of one who had experienced Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood or Invincible Ignorance from Earth to Heaven. If the answer is God knows or we do not know, then for God's sake do not misrepresent these possibilities as being known to us. If they are known to us then proclaim them a Saint along with the reasoning that goes behind such a determination. I would like to pray to them.
Logistics is the management of the flow of resources or SOULS between the point of origin(Earth) and the point of destination (Heaven, Purgatory,hell) in order to meet the requirements of God for Salvation or eternal punishment. Logistics involves the integration of information and due diligence based on verifiable facts or Miracles approved by Holy Mother Church.
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