I have been asking two simple questions.So many good Catholics are refusing to answer them.I usually have to keep coming back to the questions, as all sorts of reasons are given to avoid direct answers.
Here are the two questions and some possible responses.
1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience (Lumen Gentium), seeds of the word (Ad Gentes), imperfect communion with the Church (Unitatis Redintigratio)?
ANSWER: No we do not know any one. They are not visible to us. We cannot see them or meet them.
2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (1) and the Syllabus of Errors?
ANSWER: They cannot be considered exceptions to the dogma which says all need to convert for salvation. They are not exceptions since they are not explicit. They are not known to us.-Lionel Andrades
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Edward Pentin however would have to be wary. This is how the conversation could proceed with some possible responses.
1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience(Lumen Gentium), seeds of the word (Ad Gentes), imperfect communion with the Church(Unitatis Redintigratio) ?
A) Yes we know such cases.
B) No we do not know such cases.
The response to (A) could be with a question:
You say that we know such cases, can you name some of them on earth in 2012 ?
2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?
If the answer is 'Yes they can be considered exceptions' then the question is 'How can they be considered exceptions?'
Possible response of the person being asked:
They are exceptions since t
he Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said the baptism of desire was an exception and so Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated.
Response: Then does it mean that the cardinal who issued the Letter made an objective mistake ? We do not know any one saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance in our present times.This is a fact.So did he make a factual mistake ?
-Lionel Andrades
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