If Bishop Fellay knows that Vatican Council II is a traditional Council, every thing changes. He could suddenly make an announcement and call up another chapter meeting of consultants.

Rorate Caeli blocked this post with reference to their report,  Mass at St.Peter's: At the end of the Ceremony Cardinal Canizares said:Update,papal message to pilgrims'.

There was a discussion on the thread on  Bishop Bernard Fellay  making  a secret deal with the Vatican which would be a sell out.

I sent in this post to say that those who oppose Vatican Council II do so because of the mistake of assuming all references to salvation in Vatican Council II are of  cases visible on earth to them. Once it is known that Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus , the dogma on exclusive salvation and Tradition in general, all traditionalists may want Bishop Bernard Fellay to accept Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition and to reject the Council with the visible dead saved theory.-L.A

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If Bishop Fellay knows that Vatican Council II is a traditional Council, every thing changes. He could suddenly make an announcement and call up another chapter meeting of consultants.

Father Leonard Feeney's community in the Catholic diocese of Worcester,USA , in full communion with the Church, must be studied by the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX).

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are traditionalists who affirm Vatican Council II (without the false premise of the visible dead on earth) along with the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

They know that implicit desire is not a known exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

Men and women religious , they offer the Latin Mass like the SSPX, and know that Vatican Council II ( LG 16,LG 8, AG 11,NA etc) do not contradict the dogma or the Church's traditional teaching on other religions.

They hold the same position on other religions as does the SSPX. Yet they are in the Church will full canonical status.

They know that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and this does not contradict the dogmatic teaching, which says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) for them, agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Jesus is the only Saviour in only the Catholic Church.

Vatican Council II is a traditional Council affirming the dogma and the Syllabus of Errors.So Vatican Council II is not an issue for them as it is for the SSPX.

Without the visible dead saved premise Vatican Council II agrees with Tradition. The SSPX must use the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary as a model.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said ( and it does not say so clearly) that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma, then it made an objective mistake. Since it is a fact that we cannot see the dead on earth.So they cannot be considered explicit exceptions to the dogma and Father Leonard Feeney's traditional interpretation.

The passage in the latter part of the Letter could be critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney for disobedience, to the Archbishop, and not for heresy.

The earlier part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 supports Fr.Leonard Feeney when it mentions 'the dogma'. The text of the dogma does not cite any exceptions,known or unknown.Since implicit baptism of desire is not an exception to anything.

The Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing did not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus, he assumed, that there were known exceptions to the dogma.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger may not have known that the baptism of desire is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since then the SSPX assumes that the Council (with the false premise) can only be modernist.-Lionel Andrades

 

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