Rorate Caeili like Fr.Brian Harrison is protecting itself : Vatican Council II is traditional on the issue of other religions and ecumenism

The correspondents of Rorate Caeili like Fr.Brian Harrison need to believe that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible to us otherwise they could be targeted under anti Semitism laws.

So even after being informed it is prudent to say that there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which is the liberal position and that of the Jewish Left media.

Rorate Caeili has had to pull down reports which expose the lie of the baptism of desire etc being visible and known exceptions to the dogma. In one particular case they received a phone call from the Reformed Rabbi who teaches ecumenism at the Angelicum University, Rome, according to a report posted on Rorate.

He is teaching ecumenism based on the theory that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus on the issue of other religions and Christian communities.For him it is the dogma of the Left that invincible cases (LG 16) are visible to us in the present times and so are known exceptions to the literal and traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Rorate posted reports on the International Theological Commission and in particular the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J saying that there were known exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney's concept of the dogma.In other words there were some visible cases in the present times of persons saved in invincible ignorance.They quickly had to pull those reports off the website and not expose the leftist media lie.

Rorate Caeili also pulled down a report on Cardinal Kurt Koch, President of the Council for Christian Unity.He had alleged that Vatican Council II had changed the Church's understanding of our relations with the Jews and especially their need to convert into the Church as it was traditionally taught.

Again to avoid being hit under some leftist law, Rorate had to make believe that there were known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation.This would include the Jews. Rorate had to accept the lie and remove the report which exposed it.

All to protect itself, to protect its website.

Similalry Fr.Brian Harrison had at one time affirmed the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Then he was defending himself as not being a sedevancatist. The liberals could easily assume that he was a sedevancantist since for them invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known, visible, seen in the flesh exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church.

Until today Fr.Brian Harrison cannot defend himself by saying that one can hold the literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation along with invisible to us baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. This is not contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction. This is also in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7 and LG 16) and Tradition in general.

However to hold this rational postion would mean having to accept criticism from those whom he works with. Would the university where he teaches understand or just assume he is a sedevacantist...? Then would there be charges of anti Semtism against him ?

So it is all very convenient to speak the lie and say there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Ad Gentes 7.

This is being done for a long time by Rorate Caeili correspondents and now Fr.Brian Harrison does not want to accept the truth which may affect his career.

Similalry the traditionalist Mons.Ignacio Barreiro admits there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus; we do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, he says - but he will not support the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is being prudent, for him.

So on the issue of Vatican Council II being traditional and in agreement with the traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism there is a big silence among the traditionalists- all to protect themself.

The Rector of the FSSP church in Rome,the Australian,Fr.Joseph Kramer says "there are too many people against us".So he denies the faith on the issue of the salvation dogma.In doing so he protects himself, his career and lifestyle.If he did affirm the faith the Vicariate in Rome, which wants to protect itself, would call for a substitute FSSP Rector.-Lionel Andrades