Monday, September 16, 2013

Michael Voris has never ever said that Vatican Council II is in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Lionel:
In the video Michael Voris teaches the necessity of belonging to the Catholic Church.
He has also produced videos supporting outside the church there is no salvation, as I have mentioned in the report above.

However you say elsewhere that Vatican Council II is is agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So it means the Council is in agreement with the traditional teachings on other religions and ecumenism.

For Michael Voris and other traditonalists the Council is a break with the past.It is ambigous.

Similarly the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney, but when it comes to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church they interpret it as a break with Tradition. Like Michael they assume that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are explcit for us and so are exceptions.
Similarly Simon Rafe, of ChurchMilitant TV in correspondence with me a few years back, said invincible ignorance etc are exceptions to the dogma. This is irrational.
He also said that this is what the Church teaches. Agreed this is the popular, non official teaching. However the magisterial texts do not make this claim.

Lionel:

Like Michael they assume that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are explicit for us and so are exceptions

George:

Please cite me the video or specific reference where Michael says the above quote or belief that you say he has.
Lionel:

Michael Voris has often said that Vatican Council II is a break with the past.This is a clue.
He has often said that Vatican Council II is ambigous.
Is it ambigous if you interpret it with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism ?.

He has often criticized often liberals and dissenters who Vatican Council II. He may not have been aware that they were using Cushingism and that there was a choice in the interpretation of the Council.

He has never ever said that Vatican Council II is in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Church's traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities.

He has done programs on the New Evangelisation ignoring the two ways that all magisterial texts can be interpreted and so the Church still being traditionally ecclesiocentric in its ecclesiology according to Church documents but not according to the cardinals of the new evangelization.
I could go on...
-Lionel Andrades

From comments on the blogpost Michael Voris could show how Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism,with visible exceptions or without them, irrationally or rationally. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/michael-voris-could-show-how-vatican.html#links


Michael Voris affirms rigorist interpretation of dogma outside the church no salvation: says there is no “anonymous Catholic”

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/michael-voris-affirms-rigorist.html
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 

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