Dialogue with the MHFM

 

MHFM:

Please remove us from your list. We are not interested in your heretical material.

Lionel: It was sent to inform you about a factual and objective mistake you continue to make. You infer that we humans can see the dead-saved. So the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance is not an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 inferred that implicit desire was relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus then is was a factual mistake. This is the same factual mistake made in your book on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

We wish for your conversion, but you are not a Catholic. You are of bad will. You accept the heresies of Vatican II and you defend the Vatican II sect.

Lionel:

Vatican Council II without the premise of being able to see the dead-saved is traditional. With the premise of being able to see the dead, Vatican Council II becomes heretical and a break with Tradition. Your writings show that you are using the false premise of being able to see the dead saved with 'a ray of the Truth'(Nostra Aetate 2), being saved in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16 ) etc.Get rid of the false inference and Vatican Council II is in perfect agreement with youre interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and that of the Church Councils, the popes and the saints.

You consider false ecumenism to be the true faith.

Lionel: I reject the false ecumenism which ignores Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. Ad Gentes 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation. It states all need to enter the Church as through a door.(CCC 846,AG 7). Ecumenism with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Ad Gentes 7 and CCC 846 is welcome. It would also be missionary.

Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc do not have Catholic Faith (AG 7) which include the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church.They need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation according to Vatican Council II etc.

You hold that "non-Christians are justified" (Francis, Evangelii Gaudium), which is a denial of defined Catholic dogma.

 

Lionel: I believe Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation according to Vatican Council II (AG 7). Also I beleive that Christians do not have 'ecclesial faith' as Pope Francis has indicated. Also the kerygma which he mentioned must include entry into the Church. There cannot be a proclamation of Jesus without the necessity of entering the Catholic Church.

If you have a personal e-mail to send that is specifically addressed to us, you could send it.

Lionel:

Thank you. I will do so.

But we don't need your mass mailings spreading your false position.

 

Lionel:

My position is traditional and in accord with Vatican Council II ( without the inference of being able to see the dead on earth who are alleged exceptions to exclusive salvation).

You on the contrary are traditional but you reject a Vatican Council II ( with a false inference) and do not seem to be aware of there being an alternative choice.

You are sadly on the road to damnation. You should see the material on our website about the one true faith necesssary for salvation.

 

Lionel:

I agree with your traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus as I do with that of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,USA the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney. However for me, being saved with the baptism of desire etc are not visible in the flesh cases so they are not exceptions to the dogma on salvation. Since these cases are not visible to us ,the baptism of desire can be accepted as a possibility , but not as an exception to the dogma on salvation. Every one in 2014 needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation with 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) and NA 2, UR 3, AG 11, LG 16 etc are not exceptions to AG 7.

Damnation? I affirm the thrice defined dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

I affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I accept the popes.

I am not a sedevacantist.

Neither am I a traditionalist who rejects Vatican Council II.

In fact, by presenting yourself as a teacher of the faith, you incur even more responsibility. Thus, your damnation will even be greater should you remain on your current path.

Lionel:

I am affirming Tradition. The teachings of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II are the same for me. There is no contradiction since I am not using the false inference in the interpretation of Magisterial documents. I do not build fantasy theology with a false inference.

In Christ

Lionel Andrades