The SSPX can ask for canonical status by recognising that there is so much misinformation on Wikipedia which needs to be corrected so that Catholics understand that the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to invisible and not visible cases, unknown and not known people in 2017 and so never were exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so neither is Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II exceptions to EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.
They need to analyse the Wikipedia propaganda on Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Fr.Leonard Feeney, Feeneyism, Dominus Iesus, subsistit it etc and issue a formal correction.
This would make it easier for Catholics to affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with Feeneyism and then the SSPX can accept all magisterial documents with the Feeneyite rational theology and ask for canonical status and for the CDF/Ecclesia Dei and the two popes to also interpret magisterial documents without the irrational premise and non traditional conclusion.
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superfluous.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/palermo-catholi…
Here are quotations from the Wikipedia entry on Dominus Iesus
Role of other religious communities[edit]
A Catholic dogma, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (literally "no salvation outside the Church") has sometimes been interpreted as denying salvation to non-Catholic Christians as well as non-Christians, though Catholic teaching has long stressed the possibility of salvation for persons invincibly ignorant (through no fault of their own) of the Catholic Church's necessity and thus not culpable for lacking communion with the Church.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/palermo-catholi…
Here are quotations from the Wikipedia entry on Dominus Iesus
Role of other religious communities[edit]
A Catholic dogma, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (literally "no salvation outside the Church") has sometimes been interpreted as denying salvation to non-Catholic Christians as well as non-Christians, though Catholic teaching has long stressed the possibility of salvation for persons invincibly ignorant (through no fault of their own) of the Catholic Church's necessity and thus not culpable for lacking communion with the Church.
Lionel: Note: 'the possibility of salvation' is considered an actual case of salvation outside the Church in the present or the past.
So according to this writer non Catholics and non Christians can be saved not only as a possibility outside the Church but also de facto and known in the present times.So Feeneyite EENS is rejected with this irrationality.Once this eror is corrected in principle the SSPX can accept Vatican Council II and EENS without this irrationality of assuming hypothetical cases, possibilities being known examples of salvation outside the Church and so it is made relevant to EENS and the rest of Tradition.
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In the 20th century this inclusive approach was expressed in the condemnation of Feeneyism
Lionel: Fr.Leonard Feeney was 'condemned' since he would not say that BOD, BOB and I.I referred to objective and known people.Cardinal Cushing refused to lift the excommunication even during Vatican Council II.It was Cardinal Cushing who was in heresy for rejecting the tradtional interpretation of EENS with his known- cases- of BOD, BOB and I.I.It was 'the Church', the magisterium which violated the Principle of Non Contradiction by assuming people in Heaven were visible on earth.
The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant and he was given a Catholic funeral with the local bishop present there.
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and in the declaration of the Second Vatican Council, which said that "the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," although this is ambiguous and numerous interpretations have arisen. Vatican II further affirmed that salvation could be available to people who had not even heard of Christ (cf. Acts 17:23)— but that all who gain salvation do so only by membership in the Catholic Church, whether that membership is ordinary (explicit) or by extraordinary means (implicit).(Lionel : The writer is not making the visible-invisible distinction and continues to assume invisible cases are visible.Then he infers that there is known salvation outside the Church.)
The following passages in blue are examples of Feeneyism and the passages in red are examples of Cushingism.
While affirming the teaching of Lumen gentium ("Light of the Nations", the 1964 Dogmatic Constitution on the Church that came out of the Second Vatican Council) that the Roman Catholic Church "is the single Church of Christ" and that "[t]his Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church," Dominus Iesus offers further comments on what it means for the true Church to "subsist in" the Roman Catholic Church. The document states that, "[w]ith the expression subsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements:( he means harmonize the irrationality ) on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that 'outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth.'"
Non-Catholic Christians[edit]
The document reserves the word "Church" for bodies that have preserved a "valid episcopate and the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominus_Iesus Such bodies, which include the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Old Catholic Churches, "are true particular Churches,"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominus_Iesus and the document affirms that "the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church, since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of Primacy."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominus_Iesus
The document uses the term "ecclesial community" (from the Greek word ecclesia, meaning "church") rather than "Church" for those Christian bodies not named in the preceding paragraph, most notably including all Protestants. The document states that, although such Christian communities "are not Churches in the proper sense; however, those who are baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominus_IesusIt further states that such Christian communities, "though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation."(Lionel : If someone is saved among the Protestants since the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation' we do not know who this person is in a specific case.When there are no specific cases there are no exceptions to EENS).
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Here is
the Wikipedia entry on Dominus Iesus
Role
of other religious communities[edit]
A Catholic dogma, Extra
Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (literally "no salvation outside the Church") has
sometimes been interpreted as denying salvation to
non-Catholic Christians as well as non-Christians, though Catholic teaching has
long stressed the possibility of salvation for persons invincibly
ignorant (through no fault of their own) of the Catholic Church's necessity
and thus not culpable for lacking communion with the Church.
Lionel: Note: 'the possibility of salvation'
is considered an actual case of salvation outside the Church in the present or
the past.
So according to this writer non Catholics and
non Christians can be saved not only as a possibility outside the Church but
also de facto and known in the present times.So Feeneyite EENS is rejected with
this irrationality.
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Non-Catholic
Christians[edit]
The
document reserves the word "Church" for bodies that have preserved a "valid episcopate and
the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery."[3]
The document uses the term
"ecclesial community" (from the Greek word ecclesia, meaning "church") rather than
"Church" for those Christian bodies not named in the preceding paragraph, most
notably including all Protestants. The document states that,
although such Christian communities "are not
Churches in the proper sense; however, those who are
baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus
are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church."[It further states that such
Christian communities, "though
we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of
significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of
Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation."( Lionel : If someone is saved among the Protestants since
the spirit
of Christ has not refrained
from using them as means of salvation' we do
not know who this person is in a specific case.
When there
are no specific cases there are no exceptions to EENS).
Non-Christian religions[edit]
The
document declares that, although the Christian church is intended by God to be
"the instrument for the salvation of all humanity," such beliefs do not
"lessen the sincere respect which the Church has for the religions of the
world."[ It
does, however, "rule out, in a radical way... a religious relativism which
leads to the belief that ‘one religion is as good as another'"[
The document goes on to affirm
the possibility that those who subscribe to non-Christian religions may be saved
while insisting that the means of such salvation must be Christ, and not the
religion to which such a person subscribes (Lionel : The writer restricts himself to a vague
Christology here and excludes the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology of the
Church.He does not say that membersship in the Catholic religion is necessary
for salvation) : "If it is
true that the followers of other religions can receive divine grace, it is also
certain that objectively speaking they are in a gravely deficient
situation in comparison with those who, in the Church, have the fullness of the
means of salvation."[ The document then immediately reminds
Christians that their more direct enjoyment of the means of salvation comes "not
from their own merits, but from the grace of Christ. If they fail to respond in
thought, word, and deed to that grace, not only shall they not be saved, but
they shall be more severely judged." ( Lionel : The document does not say that all need to
enter the Church for salvation and that there are no known exceptions. This
would not be possible since Cardinal Ratzinger was a Cushingite.Two papers of
the International Theological Commission are also based on
Cushingism).
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A Feeneyite view[edit]
The sedevacantist Most Holy Family Monastery teaches that the medieval Church statements indicate that no person could possibly be saved unless a member of the Catholic Church on earth, and that this was the meaning intended by the popes of the time; that membership of the Church is obtained through valid baptism by water, regardless of who performs the baptism, and is lost by heresy, schism or apostasy; that, whether baptized or not, those who have the use of reason and are therefore capable of wishing to be saved cannot be saved, unless they believe in the Trinity and the Incarnation; that those in ignorance, even invincible, of the Catholic faith cannot be saved; and that baptism of desire and baptism of blood lack salvific force.
Lionel : Cardinal Ratzinger was a Cushingite.Dominus Iesus like Redemptoris Missio is written assuming BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible people saved outside the Church.So there are Feeneyite passages(orthodox passages) along side the Cushingite ones.This weakens the document in general since it does not affirm EENS as it was directly and strongly done by the popes until Pius XII.For them 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church was the ordinary means of salvation.Here with Cushingite passages people can wrongly assume that there is known salvation outside the Church and that BOD, BOB and I.I are known exceptions to traditional EENS.
Here is the concluding passages from the Wikipedia entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Dominus Iesus[edit]
The 2000 declaration Dominus Iesus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith states that "it must be firmly believed that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door." It then adds that "for those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit; it has a relationship with the Church, which, according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit."Inculpable ignorance[edit]
In its statements of this doctrine, the Church expressly teaches that "it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, will not be held guilty of this in the eyes of God"; that "outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control"; and that "they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life."Inculpable ignorance is not a means of salvation. But if by no fault of the individual ignorance cannot be overcome (if, that is, it is inculpable and invincible), it does not prevent the grace that comes from Christ, a grace that has a relationship with the Church, saving that person. Thus it is believed that God would make known to such a person before the moment of death, by either natural or supernatural means, the Catholic faith, since "without [such] faith it is impossible to please God", and this entails, for even the unbaptized, at the very least baptism of desire.(This is a reference to an unknown person and it is speculation with good will. So it is fine.However it indicates the writer was confused on BOD, BOB and I.I and so he mentions these hypothetical cases here with reference to EENS.For him it contradicts EENS as it was interpreted over the centuries.)
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Lionel :
are examples of people saved outside the Church who are known to us inHere is the conclusion of the section on Vatican Council II in the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Irrational Cushingite reasoning can be noticed.
If I wrote this article it would be different. Since I would not reject any thing in Vatican Council II but simply re-interpret it with Feeneyism.Second Vatican Council[edit]
The Second Vatican Council declared that the Christian communities that are not in full communion, but only in "partial communion"[with the Catholic Church, "though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church".(Lionel : Yes .This is fine as a hypothetical statement However the moment it is assumed that this is an exception to the dogma EENS it is wrongly inferred that this is a visible case. Then we get bad philosophy) It explained that "some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ." (Lionel : Fine. It is not being claimed here that this is a reference to known people saved as such.However this is the inference when the writer reads Vatican Council II. Significant elements and endowments, outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church are assumed to be personally known and so this passage contradicts EENS for the writer.) These elements, it said, "as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity." And "it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one body of Christ into which all those must be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God."(Lionel: No problem still.Since it is not being said directly that these
specific cases. So it is not
controversial.However the false inference is made
and so this passage states '
These elements, it said, "as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity." and they lead to salvation outside the Church for the writer
The Council also said that even those who do not believe in Christ are related to the Church: "All men are called to be part of this catholic unity of the people of God which in promoting universal peace presages it. And there belong to or are related to it in various ways, the Catholic faithful, all who believe in Christ, and indeed the whole of mankind, for all men are called by the grace of God to salvation." ( Fine and they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.) However, it added immediately that those who, "knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved".(Once again we do not know and cannot know who these people
are . So we do
not have an exception to the dogma EENS mentioned in
LG 14.However in general LG 14 is interpreted as being
an exception
to EENS.Now what if LG 14 did not contradict EENS for the SSPX ?
Would they have a Vatican Council II which is traditional? YES!) In this way, the Catholic Church teaches that any person who knows that the Catholic Church is necessary for eternal salvation and knowingly rejects the Church with deliberate consent cannot be saved.( This is still speculative, theoretical and hypothetical. There is no controversy here for me.) On the other hand, "those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
(Once again it is a reference to a hypothetical case for us human beings.
So there is no exception to the dogma EENS here for me).
This does not take from the Church's obligation to preach the Gospel: "Often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature", the Church fosters the missions with care and attention."[25] In its decree on missionary activity, the Council, quoting Lumen gentium, 14, said: "Christ Himself 'by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.(This is an orthodox passage supporting Feeneyite EENS and the following passage does not contradict it.Since it refers to a hypothetical case.Unknown people cannot be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) in the present times.)
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.' (This is a hypothetical passage and mentioning it here in Vatican Council II was a mistake of the Council Fathers(Cardinal Richard Cushing and the others).Since they had confused BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known in personal cases then they mentioned it here with reference to EENS.This is a subtle error in Vatican Council II). Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him, yet a necessity lies upon the Church, and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel."
(Yes a necessity lies to preach the Gospel saying all need to
enter the
Church since there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS and inculpable ignorance
is not one of them).The Council also warned that full incorporation in the Church does not ensure salvation: "They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion.(Again we have to be cautious of Cushingite reasoning here and avoid confusing what is unknown as being known) He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a 'bodily' manner and not 'in his heart'. (and we do not know who he is in any specific case. So this is irrelevant to Feeneyite EENS) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged."[Lionel :Then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger consolidated 'the New Theology' in the Catechism of the Church by accomodating visible for us BOD, BOB and I.I as being examples of salvation outside the Church.
So he uses the phrase 'all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body' and he does not say that every one needs to be a member of the Church for salvation,qith no exceptions as was the teaching upto Pope Pius XII.Since for him 'those who through no fault of their own, (who) do not know Christ and his Church' refer to visible and personally known people saved outside the Church.He has made the break with the past popes by assuming BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible instead of invisible people.So CCC 846 does not mention the dogma EENS but an 'aphorism'.
Here is the continuation of the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Catholic Church elucidations[edit]
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Church states that the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church".
At the same time, it adds: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam…
The Church has also declared that "she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter",and that "those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."
Lionel: The passages in red mention with reference to salvation are Cushingite passages.
Cushingism assumes hypothetical cases are objective exceptions to EENS.
'those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church'.We do not know any person as such in the present times. It is a 'zero case'.
"she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter". We do not know any specific person saved as such.This cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.An invisible person cannot be a visible exception to EENS.So why is it mentioned here? It is mentioned since the writer or the theologian assumed it is a visible person saved outside the Church.
"those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways." and who are saved outside the Church and who are known to us in personal cases? Is this the inference here? This is Cushingism.
Pope Pius IX The Syllabus of Errors, attached to Encyclical Quanta cura, 1864: [The following are prescribed errors:] "16. Men can, in the cult of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation. - Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846. "17. One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ. - Encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863, etc."
Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum ingressi sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church." idem, Encyclical Sapientiae christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."
Pope St. Pius X (1903–1914), Encyclical Jucunda sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."
Pope Benedict XV (1914–1922), Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: "The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Encyclical Humani Generis, August 12, 1950: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."
These are traditional citations on EENS from Wikipedia's entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So until 1958 the popes were affirming EENS without BOD, BOB and I.I referring to objective and known cases.
Wikipedia's next entry is from Vatican Council II, influenced by the Letter of the Holy Office and so the change has been made.
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."
Lionel: Since invincible ignorance is considered an explicit and known exception to the dogma EENS in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office,Vatican Council(LG 14) makes the bad distinction between those who are in 'ignorance' and those who 'know'.This is convoluted and the stuff of fantasy. It cannot be Catholic. They reason out that those who know about Jesus and the Church and do not enter and remain in it are on the way to Hell as compared to the earlier teaching which says all non Catholics need to convert to avoid Hell. So this is a new doctrine.It also suggests that 'those who do not know', who are in invincible ignorance can be saved since these are known exceptions to EENS. Again a new doctrine has been created with the false premise.
LG 14 also contradicts AG 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
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Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16: ". . .Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. . .But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. . ."
Lionel: Again Vatican Council II (LG 16) suggests that being saved in invincible ignorance refers to a known cases, a person who was visible and was saved outside the Church.So it becomes an exception to EENS. So with this irrationality( visible exceptions saved in invincible ignorance) a new theology has been created which says there is salvation outside the Church and EENS according to Pius XII (1958) has been rejected.So with bad philosophy bad theology has been created which is non traditional and heretical and a rupture with the past.
Here Pope Pius IX affirms traditional EENS without the BOD, BOB and I.I confusion. He is in line with Fr. Leonard Feeney and the missionaries in the 16th century.
So until 1878 things were still looking good.
Pope Pius IX (1846–1878), Encyclical Singulari quidem March 17, 1856): "Teach that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and come to the community of His children (Romans 1; Hebrews 11; Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 8). There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord (St. Cyprian, Epistle 43), outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church (ibid, On the Unity of the Catholic Church). ... Outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control."
"Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments."
"Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom 'the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.' The words of Christ are clear enough: 'If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;' 'He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;' 'He who does not believe will be condemned;' 'He who does not believe is already condemned;' 'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.' The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned;' the Prince of the Apostles calls them 'false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.'"
(Pope Pius IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moeroore, 7-8)
Pope BI. Pius IX - August 10, 1863
Lionel:
Pope Pius IX in 1863 is affirming the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS in the passages marked in blue.The liberal theologians have re-interpreted the passages in red as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Church, without the baptism of water.
The passages in red are, for me, hypothetical cases, possibilities known only to God and if they existed it would include the baptism of water in the Catholic Church since this is the dogmatic teaching.
However the important point is, that with or without the baptism of water, they are invisible cases for us human beings.So they never ever were exceptions to EENS.-Lionel Andrades
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