Monday, January 29, 2018

St.Emerentiana a possibility - how is she relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus?


Regarding St.Emerentiana no one could have physically seen her in Heaven with or without the baptism of water.
The Church declares her a saint and martyr O.K we accept it.
Secondly, a saint the past cannot be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) in 2018.
This would be irrational reasoning.
Assuming ' for arguments sake ', she is in Heaven without the baptism of water( and she is not according to the dogma EENS) how can someone in the past be a visible exception in the present times  to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation?
The person would have to present to be an exception.


Where is the case of someone saved outside the Church in 2018? What is the name of someone who is an exception to EENS because she or he is saved without the baptism of water? Where are the practical exceptions to EENS today?
The dogma is the ordinary means of salvation and it says all need to enter the Church as members for salvation( to avoid Hell), so where are the known exceptions today?
All need faith and baptism for salvation(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).So according to Vatican Council II the normal means of salvation is not the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, it is faith and baptism.
Jesus says all need the baptism of water for salvation(John 3:5) so how can St. Emerentiana be an exceptioin when no human being could have seen her in Heaven without the baptism of water ?
 If St.Emerentiana came back to earth to be baptised( as it was the experience of saints) it still is a hypothetical case for us human beings. We would not known in real life.So it is not an exception to EENS in 2018.
If God sent an angel to baptise her with water before she died, it still is a hypothetical and theoretical case for us human beings. Since it can only be known to God.
So it still is not an exception to all needing the baptism of  water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
If it is said that it is a possibility that St.Emerentiana could have been saved without the baptism of water since all things are possible with God then it could also be said that it is a possibility that she is in Heaven with the baptism of water since all things are possible with God. A possibility is meaningless. Since it can be said that it is also possibile that there were no baptism of desire and baptism of blood cases during the last 1500 years.
We know that a person in the past cannot be an objective exception to the dogma EENS in the present times.This is something obvious. 
However St.Emerentiana is oftern mentioned. This is the familiar Cushingite reasoning and theology in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades





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DECEMBER 10, 2017


Repost : A St. Emerentina of the past cannot be an exception to the dogma EENS in 2017. This is faulty reasoning

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-st-emerentina-of-past-cannot-be.html



March 15, 2017

And if someone says she is in Heaven without the baptism of water then who is this person in the Church who has said this? Who gave him permission? Is he recognised by the Church?http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/and-if-someone-says-she-is-in-heaven.htm



MARCH 16, 2015

Once a traditionalist or sedevacantist has an insight into all this Vatican Council II dramatically changes
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/message-incomplete-we-dont-know-any-one.html


 FEBRUARY 11, 2015


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