Ann Barnhardt cannot meet a baptism of desire (BOD) case in 2018 : Did Archbishop Lefebvre make a mistake ?

Ann Barnhardt agrees that there are no known baptism of desire(BOD) cases in 2018. 1 We cannot also administer the baptism of desire as we can give someone the baptism of water.

We cannot meet anyone saved with BOD.We cannot know any one on earth who will be saved with the BOD,BOB or I.I, without the baptism of water.So she could believe that there is no known salvation outside the Church; no personally known person in the present times saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,Vatican Council II).So she can accept BOD only as a possibility known to God.This is the only choice for all of us.

For us humans BOD is speculative only.It is something we can hope for, for somebody.

So when there are no tangible cases of the BOD, then the BOD cannot be an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).For there to be an exception someone would have to exist outside the Church( a non Catholic) who is saved.He then becomes an exception to EENS, as it was interpreted over the centuries.

Ann Barnhardt does not know any one in  particular.None of us can know of any such person.

So when Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Pope Pius XII assumed that BOD was relevant to EENS and also an exception(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) then they made a mistake ? Is this what Ann Barnhardt believes?

When the SSPX official website criticizes Fr.Leonard Feeney for not affirming BOD as being relevant or an exception to EENS, it made a mistake?

When the SSPX sells a book by Fr.Francois Laisney (Is Feeneyism Catholic?) which indicates BOD is visible and known in particular cases, since it is an exception  to EENS, he has made a mistake? 2

It is important to recognize this mistake for then we can re-interpret Vatican Council II. Since we now know that there are no visible and known cases of BOD all this information on the SSPX website is obsolete. 3

We can re-interpret Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases not referring to known people saved outside the Church.

So when Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) then this, all, would also include Mohammad and the followers of Islam?  There would also be no  known cases in 2018,of Lumen Gentium 14(BOD), Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) etc. So there are no  exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II  to Ad Gentes 7 and Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?

Does this change her interpretation of Vatican Council II?

These are questions I would like Ann Barnhardt to answer on her blog.-Lionel Andrades

1.

FEBRUARY 2, 2018

Would Ann Barnhardt be able to say that the SSPX bishops and Archbishop Lefebvre made an objective mistake?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/would-ann-barnhardt-be-able-to-say-that.html

2.
The three baptisms
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
 March 1998 issue of The Angelus magazine.
http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_baptisms.htm

The three errors of the Feeneyites http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm Fr. Feeney and Catholic doctrine http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/fr_feeney_catholic_doctrine.htm Against the Heresies by Archbishop Lefebvre Open Letter to Confused Catholics by Archbishop Lefebvre Baptism of Desire by Fr. John-Marc Rulleau Is Feeneyism Catholic? by Fr. Francois Laisney http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/society-of-st-pius-x/#.WnWHrbynHcc Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre: 1. Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion. There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God…But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire. It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”[1] 2. Page 217: “One cannot say, then, that no one is saved in these religions…”[2] 3. Pages 217-218: “This is then what Pius IX said and what he condemned. It is necessary to understand the formulation that was so often employed by the Fathers of the Church: ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’ When we say that, it is incorrectly believed that we think that all the Protestants, all the Moslems, all the Buddhists, all those who do not publicly belong to the Catholic Church go to hell. Now, I repeat, it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church, and so the formulation is true: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. This must be preached.”[3] Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre: Pages 73-74: “Does this mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved? No, it would be a second error to think that. Those who cry for intolerance in interpreting St. Cyprian’s formula Outside the Church there is no salvation, also reject the Creed, “I accept one baptism for the remission of sins,” and are insufficiently instructed as to what baptism is. There are three ways of receiving it: the baptism of water; the baptism of blood (that of martyrs who confessed their faith while still catechumens); and baptism of desire. Baptism can be explicit. Many times in Africa I heard one of our catechumens say to me, “Father, baptize me straightaway because if I die before you come again, I shall go to hell.” I told him, “No, if you have no mortal sin on your conscience and if you desire baptism, then you already have the grace in you…”[8]  http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/society-of-st-pius-x/#.WnWHrbynHcc 3.

The SSPX website information on Feeneyism and Vatican Council II is now obsolete https://www.gloria.tv/article/q9bHa8DmdYsS1ovCjhvaSh4bo