eucharistandmission: Sedevacantists do not have a single source to support their modernism, not a single reference. They continue with thier liberalism

Tuesday, March 13, 2018

Sedevacantists do not have a single source to support their modernism, not a single reference. They continue with thier liberalism

OCTOBER 8, 2015

Bishop Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada do not have a single source to support their position. Not a single reference!

Comments from "For Bishop Sanborn, Fr. Anthony Cekada, Fr. Deposito and the other priests and seminarians at the sedevacantist seminary in Florida, there are exceptions to the dogma EENS : so they can see the dead now in Heaven!" http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/for-bishop-sanborn-fr-anthony-cekada-fr.html

Introibo Ad Altare Dei:: If you can't even get the name of my BLOG correct, it's no wonder you can't get anything else right either. Things didn't "get too hot," you're a pseudo-educated dolt who can't understand basic concepts. We block you because you can educate the ignorant but--"When you're stupid nothing can be done!"

One last time:
There are 3 ways to enter the Church--BOW, BOD, and BOB.
Feeney denied BOB and BOD as means to enter the Church.
We can't see anyone in Heaven so how do you know water baptized people are there? On the authority of the Church! That's how! St. Emerantiana is in Heaven by BOB--the Church teaches it in her liturgy and in such matters the Church is infallible. If you object "How do we know"--because this is what the Church teaches! If you object "we can't see her" We can't see anyone who's been baptized either! So we can't know anybody in Heaven, even by Church proclamation! Here's a list of Church sources proclaiming BOD and BOB. When you can answer them all; then we can have a discussion. We don't answer (sedes) because you are of such a low intellect as to be a joke. You can't/don't understand the basic illogic of your heresy.
Here's the link:http://www.romancatholicism.org/bod-quotes.html

One last time:
There are 3 ways to enter the Church--BOW, BOD, and BOB.
Lionel:
Agreed.
Is BOD and BOB an exception to EENS ? This is the issue.
Why is all this so difficult for you? Is this some political position of the sedevanatists in your community?...(March 2018 and still there is no clarification or correction from them).; ____________________; Feeney denied BOB and BOD as means to enter the Church.; Lionel:
He denied the baptism of desire and baptism of blood, without the baptism of water, as known means of entering the Church.I agree with him.
He also denied that we human beings could know any such case for them to be relevant to the dogma. He criticised the Rector of Boston College and the Jesuit Provincial for saying there was salvation outside the Church.How could the Rector know ?
Your position and that of the sedevacantist seminary in Florida is that of the Jesuit Rector and Provinciial during the time of Fr. Leonard Feeney. It is is also the position of the Jesuits and the liberals today.
This is heresy and it is supported by Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada. The Left must be clapping in approval.
All of you interpret Vatican Council II with the same heresy, of there being explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 8).
Even when it is so obvious and pointed out to you over some four months your persist. Are you so emotionally attached to them ?; _________________________




: We can't see anyone in Heaven so how do you know water baptized people are there? On the authority of the Church!
Lionel:

So you agree we cannot see any one in Heaven today.

You agree that we humans cannot see any one in the past,in 1949 or 1808.

So when could someone in the Church say with authority, that that he or she could see someone in Heaven who is there without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.

Who had this gift?

When was this gift declared to be an infallible teaching ? Who issued this infallible statement that you claim is an authority in the Church?

Someone who could see the dead-saved in Heaven?

Then you keep asking me why do I mention the dead-saved in Heaven being visible? It is because of your repeated inference.; __________
: On the authority of the Church! That's how! St. Emerantiana is in Heaven by BOB--the Church teaches it in her liturgy and in such matters the Church is infallible.
Lionel:
O.K she is in Heaven with the baptism of blood ( martyrdom).Where does the Church state that in her case it excludes the baptism of water? How could someone in the Church make this claim ?
How could you or any one infer that she is in Heaven without the baptism of water?
Again you make me ask the question which I don't want to mention : who saw her in Heaven without the baptism of water?
So why is it being said that she is an exception to the dogmatic teaching on salvation? Where is the proof ?
Where is the Church authority which says otherwise?
The liturgy only says she is a martyr.
It reminds me of the Good Thief on the Cross. We know he is in Heaven but the Church does not state that he did not receive the baptism of water before or after his death.The liberals and the sedevacantists say he is in Heaven without the baptism of water. O.k that is an inference but it is not the teaching of the Church.
_______________________; If you object "How do we know"--because this is what the Church teaches! If you object "we can't see her" We can't see anyone who's been baptized either! So we can't know anybody in Heaven, even by Church proclamation!
Lionel:
I have covered this point in the last comment.Here I go again.
Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada and all those associated with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre have accepted that BOD and BOB are exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.; Since they keep saying that BOD and BOB are exceptions to EENS I keep asking where are these exceptions this month, this year, near the place we live or wherever.Since, we do not know the names and location of these 'exceptions'.
For someone to be an exception to the dogma( all needing to formally enter the Church with no exceptions)these people must have a name and they must live, they need to be real.; We beleive St.Emerentina is in Heaven with the baptism of blood ( martrydom) but :
1. We cannot say that someone who died centuries back is a real case today; she exists today, to be an exception to the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church. Some one from the past cannot be an exception to all needing to enter the Church today ( October 2015).So when you say there are exceptions you imply you know who these exceptions are or who are going to be exceptions tomorrow.
Also there is no way of knowing if she did not make it to Heaven as a martyr and received the baptism of water after she 'died', as the saints have explained.Either way, with or without the baptism of water, there is no way of knowing.
2.In general hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions to the dogma. So LG 16 would be irrelevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
3.We believe the saints are in Heaven but we cannot postulate that those who are martyrs are there with or without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are exceptions to EENS.; ______________; Here's a list of Church sources proclaiming BOD and BOB. When you can answer them all; then we can have a discussion.
Lionel:
Not a single one of them ! - says BOD and BOB are explicit or that they are exceptions to EENS.
This is the inference of Bishop Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada.
I have pointed this out to Fr. Cekada a long time back but he still will not remove that article.
You do not have a single source to support your position. Not a single reference!
This is liberalism.

-Lionel Andrades