Wednesday, March 14, 2018

Without the irrational interpretation of BOD,BOB and I.I by the sedevacantists CMRI, Quanta Cura, Syllabus of Errors,Mystici Corporis etc are not contradicted by Vatican Council II : the fault lies with the sedevacantists and not Vatican Council II

from the sedevacantist CMRI webiste

Theological Position: Sede Vacante

The Roman Catholic priests of the Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen profess and adhere to the Catholic Faith as it has been consistently 
Pope Pius XII
taught throughout the centuries since the time of Christ.
Lionel : This is not true. The CMRI interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as referring to known  people saved outside the Church.So it is a practical exception to EENS.
There are no such known cases in 2018.
So with hypothetical BOD,BOB and I.I there can be  no exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This is a mistake of the CMRI, the Holy Office 1949 and Vatican Council II.
The CMRI can change to hypothetical instead of non hypothetical BOD, BOB and I.I.Then the conclusion of Vatican Council II is different.
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 With the death of Pope Pius XII and with the convocation of the Second Vatican Council, an unprecedented situation has befallen the Church, which threatens her very doctrines and worship. In order to provide for the preservation of the Catholic Faith and the traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Sacraments, the following statement has been drawn up for the purpose of clearly defining the actual position that these priests have taken.

I. VATICAN COUNCIL II: Convoked by John XXIII for the purpose of “updating” the Church, this council (held from 1962-65) decreed and implemented teachings which had been previously condemned by the Infallible Teaching Magisterium of the Church. The Second Vatican Council’s heretical teachings were primarily in the areas of religious liberty and false ecumenism. These were previously condemned by:
   Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos (1832)
   Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura and Syllabus of Errors (1864)
   Pope Leo XIII in Immortale Dei (1865) and Libertas Humana (1888)
   Pope Pius XI in Quas Primas (1925) and Mortalium Animos (1928)
   Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis (1943)
Lionel: Without the irrational interpretation of BOD,BOB and I.I by the CMRI community none of these documents would be contradicted by Vatican Council II.
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THEREFORE, the Second Vatican Council is to be rejected as a false council because it has erred in its teachings on faith and morals.
Lionel: There can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the CMRI has chosen the irrational one.
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II. NOVUS ORDO MISSAE: Following the Second Vatican Council, various commissions were established to modernize the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the traditional rites of the Sacraments. The particular commission established to modernize the Mass included well-known Protestant theologians. To use the words of a well-known Cardinal, Alfredo Ottaviani, in 1969: “(The Novus Ordo Missae) represents a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent.”
Lionel: Cardinal Ottaviani had used the irrational interpretation of BOD, BOB and I.I to reject Feeneyite EENS.So the ecclesiology of the Mass had changed. This was not due to the liturgy but a change in theology which changed doctrine and rejected the dogma EENS.At Mass there was no more the old exclusivist understanding of salvation.
I attend the Novus Ordo Mass.For me there is no change in the ecclesiiology of the Church.It is disappointing for me when the priests at the Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass do not affirm Feeneyite EENS.
Even the CMRI like the SSPX and FSSP do not not affirm Feeneyite EENS. So doctrine stands changed.
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 The results of this modernization were a new definition of the Mass (reflecting Luther’s concept of the Last Supper), the alteration of the Offertory prayers to delete the concept of propitiatory Sacrifice, and the substantial alteration of the very words of Consecration (this alteration occurs in the vernacular translations). This new mass, known as the Novus Ordo Missae, contradicts previous infallible teachings and decrees of the Catholic Church, such as:
   Pope St. Pius V’s Quo Primum and De Defectibus,
   the Council of Trent’s decree on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (Session XXII),
   Pope Leo XIII’s Apostolicae Curae (1896),
   Pope Pius XII’s Mediator Dei (1947),
   Pope Pius XII’s Sacramentum Ordinis (1948).
Lionel: For me the Novus Ordo Mass does not contradict any of these documents.
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THEREFORE, the Novus Ordo Missae, when offered with the altered words of Consecration, is an invalid Mass and in all other cases it is of doubtful validity. It always is a clear danger to one’s faith. For all these reasons, active participation in it would be a grave sin.
III. NEW RITES OF THE SACRAMENTS: That which has been said of the Novus Ordo Missae can, in the same respect, be said of the new Vatican II rites for the seven sacraments. To the degree that the matter, form and intention of each of the sacraments has been substantially altered, to that degree their validity must be questioned. The Catholic Church has, most certainly, always taught what the proper matter, form and intention are in the confecting of the sacraments.
THEREFORE, where the new rites have been employed, traditional priests should administer the Sacraments sub conditione as the situation may demand.
IV. MODERN VATICAN II CHURCH: The Catholic Church is identified as the true Church of Christ by her four marks (Unity, Holiness, Catholicity, and Apostolicity).
Lionel: The CMRI community with physically visible BOD, BOB and I.I, has changed the understanding of the Nicene Creed, re-interpreted Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS, accepted EENS with visible instead of invisible BOD,BOB and I.I etc.This is all heresy. It is an impediment to offering Mass.These are mortal sins of faith.
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 Since the heretical teachings of Vatican II, the Novus Ordo Missae, and the new rites of the sacraments have manifestly been a departure from the Catholic Church’s traditional teachings, it must be concluded that this modern so-called “Catholic” Church no longer possesses the first two marks of the true Church — namely, Unity and Holiness. Its obvious departure over the past twenty-five years from what the Catholic Church has always held can lead to only one conclusion: a new ecumenical Church has been established which stands in contradiction to the true Catholic Church.
Lionel. The new ecumenism, like the new theology and new evangelisation, has its foundation on there being known salvation outside the Church.For the CMRI there is known salvation outside the Church. BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to the old exclusivist ecclesiiology of the Church. So the CMRI theological position is the same as the liberals and the Vatican Curia. This is modernism.
For me there is only the old ecumenism of return since there is no known salvation outside the Church.Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition.They are not a rupture with Quanta Cura, Syllabus of Errors, Mystici Corporis etc.
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V. MODERN HIERARCHY OF THE VATICAN II CHURCH: In the light of the above, it must be concluded that the modern hierarchy who have approved and implemented the errors of Vatican II no longer represent the Catholic Church and her lawful authority.
Lionel: They are interpreting magisterial documents with visible BOD, BOB and I.I just like the CMRI. So Vatican Council II becomes a rupture with Tradition. The fault lies with the false premise ( visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I) and not Vatican Council II.I interpret Vatican Council II differently.
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 This most certainly includes the one who confirmed, approved, decreed, and implemented these heretical teachings, namely Paul VI (Montini). Likewise included are his successors, namely, John Paul II (Wojtyla), Benedict XVI (Ratzinger), and Francis (Bergoglio), who have continued to implement these heretical teachings.
Lionel: The heretical teachings emerge when BOD,BOB and I.I are considered to be known people saved outside the Church. This was the mistake of the popes and also of Bishop Pirvanus and the CMRI community.
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 Despite the lack of canonical warning and formal declaration of loss of office, their repeated acts of ecumenism and their enforcement of the heresies of Vatican II and the new code of Canon Law, which are injurious to faith and morals, are manifestations of their pertinacity in heresy.
Lionel: They support these actions with the New Theology. According to the New Theology there are exceptions to the dogma EENS, so Feeneyite EENS is rejected.Since there is salvation outside the Church, for the hierarchy and the CMRI, there is the new ecumenism, the Anonymous Christian etc.The Vatican accepts it and the CMRI reject it both use the same New Theology.
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THEREFORE, as the First Vatican Council infallibly teaches: “‘Thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build My Church,’ these words are proven true by actual results, since in the Apostolic See the Catholic religion has always been preserved untainted...the See of St. Peter always remains unimpaired by any error, according to the divine promise of Our Lord.” Further, since John Paul II has manifestly taught heresy, promoted ecumenism and fostered interfaith worship, he clearly cannot be recognized as a successor of St. Peter in the primacy.
Lionel: John Paul II like the CMRI did not correct the BOD, BOB and I.I mistake in the Catholic Church. I avoid the error and so for me Vatican Council II has no exceptions to EENS.
I also affirm EENS without the irrationality. 
I also affirm the Nicene Creed without the irrationality.
I affirm Mystici Corporis,the Catechism of Pius X and the Catechism of Trent without the irrationality. 
The CMRI cannot say the same.
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VI. THE NEW CODE OF CANON LAW: In order to implement the teachings of Vatican II, it was necessary that the modernists change the Code of Canon Law (1917), as it contradicted their designs by reflecting the mind of the Church in her past doctrine and discipline. The new code contains a matter which should be most disturbing to the informed Catholic. According to the new law of the Modern Church, non-Catholics can, under certain circumstances, petition the “sacraments” from a Catholic priest (without the non-Catholic abjuring his heretical beliefs), and the priests must administer them. The Council of Florence, as well as the 1917 Code of Canon Law (Canon 731), strictly forbids this.
THEREFORE, as the universal laws of the Church are protected by her infallibility and cannot impose obligations opposed to faith and morals, the New Code must be considered as lacking all force of law. Moreover, it has been promulgated by those who no longer represent Catholic authority.
Lionel: The New Code of Canon Law sadly accomodates invisible baptism of desire as being a visible exception to EENS.This error was implemented by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
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VII. COURSE FOR TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC PRIESTS: Due to the unprecedented situation in the Catholic Church and the moral responsibility of the faithful to receive certainly valid sacraments, traditional priests most certainly can and must continue the mission of the Catholic Church by sanctifying the faithful through the offering of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the administration of the Sacraments, and other pastoral works. The mind of the Church is that “the salvation of the people is the supreme law.” The 1917 Code of Canon Law will continue to be the priests’ guideline.
Lionel : The 1917 Code of Canon Law I would assume supports Feeneyite EENS and does not assume there is known salvation outside the Church.The New Code of Canon Law assumes Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong and the Holy Office 1949 was correct.
-Lionel Andrades
http://www.cmri.org/why-we-believe-the-chair-of-peter-is-vacant.shtml








 MARCH 14, 2018


It's time for U.S sedevacantists to renounce sedevacantism based on Vatican Council II interpreted with the Ladaria Error

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/its-time-for-us-sedevacantists-to.html

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