Tuesday, July 17, 2018

The new ecclesiology and new theology is obligatory at this 'approved ' Latin Mass.

From Rorate Caeili

Are Celebrandi: Largest global TLM workshop going on in Poland



Solemn and lofty celebrations; intense training; beautiful, contemplative Gregorian chant, new friendships and a warm atmosphere—this is the short summary of the international liturgical workshops „Ars Celebrandi”, launched July 12th at the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Sorrows in Licheń (Poland).
Lionel: It is the Latin Mass approved by the Bishops' Conference of Poland and Britain. It is without the old understanding of salvation.So the political Left does not object. The new ecclesiology and new theology is obligatory at this Latin Mass. So it is the use of the old rubrics and rituals and traditional vestments but as a rupture with the saints and popes over the centuries when offered the Tridentintine Rite Mass or the Byzantine Rite Mass. They held the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and did not mistake unknown cases of the baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance as being known exceptions to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.

Rorate Caeili correspondents,the Latin Mass Society in Britain and Una Voce International are aware of it but will not talk about it. They all need to compromise to maintain their personal and private worldly interests.
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The workshops of the traditional liturgy „Ars Celebrandi” in Licheń, organized by the association Una Voce Polonia (Polish branch of the International Federation „Una Voce”, an organization recognized by the Holy See as the official representation of secular Catholics attached to the traditional Latin liturgy), are held for the fifth time. About 200 people from Poland and a dozen or so countries around the world, including Estonia, Latvia, Germany, France, Byelorussia, or even South Korea, learn to celebrate the Mass in the extraordinary form of the Roman rite (priests), serve it (altar servers), or sing (male and female Gregorian chant consorts).
Lionel: This is not the original Latin Mass. At the Traditional Latin Mass in the 16th century for example, it would be heresy and an impediment to offer Mass if the priest said that he did not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I were visible exceptions to EENS and examples of salvation outside the Church.
It is heresy when the priests in Poland offer this Latin Mass interpreting Vatican Council II with this false premise ( visible cases of BOD etc which are objective exceptions to EENS) to create hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors).
It is heresy when the Syllabus of Errors is rejected by assuming there are known exceptions to the traditional understanding of an ecumenism of return.
It is first class heresy when the Nicene Creed is changed and the Athansius Creed is rejected.
These are mortal sins of faith.
The priests in this condition are not allowed to offer Holy Mass. This is manifest mortal sin.
It is not denied in public. It is a scandal.
The organizers are going along with Archbishop Guido Pozzo since this is expected of all of them by the Jewish Left which oversees the Vatican.The ecclesiology of this type of Latin Mass and Mass in the vernacular is the same.
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 MARCH 28, 2018


Archbishop Guido Pozzo Secretary, Ecclesia Dei,Vatican : according to Canon Law he must affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II.He does not do this
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/03/archbishop-guido-pozzo-secretary.html
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The visit of the high-ranking Vatican prelate, Archbishop Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (responsible for Catholics attached to the traditional liturgy around the world), will be the most important event of this year’ edition. On July 18 he will celebrate a pontifical Mass in the Basilica of Our Lady of Licheń and will hold a meeting with the participants of the workshops, answering their questions.
Lionel : 

OCTOBER 31, 2017

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/sspx-must-be-aware-of-deception-of.html

OCTOBER 23, 2017

Still no denial from Abp.Guido Pozzo : SSPX must accept Vatican Council II with a false doctrine and the new theology based on an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/still-no-denial-from-abpguido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 20, 2017
No denial from Archbishop Guido Pozzo : he uses an irrational premise to reject the past exclusivist ecclesiology, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/no-denial-from-archbishop-guido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 12, 2017
Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and EENS (premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html
OCTOBER 30, 2017
Two popes must ask Franciscans, Domincians, Jesuits, Benedictines, Carmelites and other religious organisations and lay movements to affirm Vatican Council II (premise-free) and then do it themselves http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/two-popes-must-ask-franciscans.html
OCTOBER 30, 2017
Double- speak continues with Ecclesia Dei and the CDF : Vatican Council II is not the real issue for the SSPX reconciliation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/double-speak-continues-with-ecclesia.html
MARCH 24, 2018
Bishop Fellay no more has to reject Vatican Council II and the popes since John XXIII : the Council is traditional without the LOHO reasoning 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/bishop-fellay-no-more-has-to-reject.html
MARCH 23, 2018
So the fault does not lie with Vatican Council II but how they interpret the Council and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : Bishop Bernard Fellay's mistake
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/so-fault-does-not-lie-with-vatican.html


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From this year on, “Ars Celebrandi” workshops are officially an international event: one of training groups for altar servers is held in English. This innovation was introduced in response to requests addressed to the organizers.
Lionel: It was patronised and approved by Ecclesia Dei since the false theology, the New Theology, Cushingite theology is used by the traditionalists and liberals in Britain who have helped organised this event. This is an innovated, politically correct Latin Mass.
The Bishops Conference in Poland are unaware of the false premise being used to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition, by those priests who offer this new Mass in Latin with old rubrics.
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The priests have an unusual opportunity to improve their priestly singing under the direction of a Benedictine monk in charge of liturgical singing in the thousand-year old Benedictine Abbey in Tyniec (Cracow). Another important point is the presence of the Dominican rite—more than 750 years old own liturgy of the Order of Preachers (very popular in Poland); and the opportunity to participate in the so-called „Polish Masses” celebrated with the accompaniment of the once popular and now almost forgotten devotional folk unison songs.
Lionel: New Catholic, who is still new to Catholicism and does not write under his real name at Rorate Caeili  is not saying that Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) does not contradict the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite). Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is a rupture with EENS ( Cushingite).
This Latin Mass is approved since the organizers affirm Vatican Council II (Cushingite) and maintain the rupture with Tradition at this old and beautiful Mass.
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The workshops are organized in a way enabling everything: prayer, learning and entertainment... well, except for rest. The plan of the day starts at 6 a.m. with singing lauds (the morning office), and ends in the late evening with a sung complete (not forgetting—for those willing—additional workshops, lasting up to midnight). However, the time for coffee meetings and making new contacts has been also provided („Ars Celebrandi” makes a great contribution to the integration of the Latin liturgy communities of different towns and countries), and even to watch the finals of the World Cup on football. The enthusiasts of the old liturgy are not alienated from life and stand firmly on the ground.
Lionel: Usually the liberals claim that there is an isolation and return to the past with the old Mass. So this line is probably meant to assuage them.
The organizers need to show the Vatican that even the Mass in Polish can be offered with the old ecclesiology of the Church.They can do this by interpreting BOD, BOB and I.I as referring to only hypothetical cases. The same would have to be done with LG 8, LG14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
Then the priest who offers the New Mass would be affirming the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors. The Mass before and after Vatican Council II in Polish would have the same traditional ecclesiology. Then the liberals cannot blame the old Mass for continuing with the past understanding on the Catholic Church having the superiority and exclusiveness on salvation. They will realize that the old theology and doctrines on salvation are independent of the Rite.
Then they cannot accuse only the traditionalists of going back to the past and living in isolation. Since the priest who offers Mass in Polish, or English or Italian, would still be affirming the same understanding of EENS as the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
-Lionel Andrades
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/07/are-celebrandi-largest-global-tlm.html

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