SSPX bishops and priests have to understand this and then inform the 2800 bishops about it.

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Peter W said...

Well done Anonymous 8:52 AM. You have clearly identified the shameful lack of transparency, accountability and honesty on the part of the SSPX leadership. Their governance is fundamentally flawed and dysfunctional. All along Fellay and his colleagues have been playing the old North Vietnamese game of continuing hostilities while participating in 'negotiations' They knew that there was never a snowflake's chance in Hell of being integrated into the Catholic Church because of their refusal to accept the magisterial doctrine taught in Dignitais Humanae Nostrae, Nostra Aetate as well as whole sections of Lumen Gentium, Gaudium et Spes and Sacrosanctum Concilium. They were never going to accept way the 2800 bishops of Vatican II interpreted their own Conciliar teachings and applied them including the Vernacular Mass. 

SSPX, at the extreme end of the Trad rejectionist spectrum have resorted to putting up the smoke screen of 'orthodoxy' vs heterodoxy all the while rejecting Vatican II which all the Popes since the Council have affirmed is completely within and even contains the whole Tradition of the Catholic Church.

My prediction is that SSPX will end up being the catholic equivalent of Jonestown. 

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Well done Anonymous 8:52 AM. You have clearly identified the shameful lack of transparency, accountability and honesty on the part of the SSPX leadership.(It is just ignorance ) Their governance is fundamentally flawed and dysfunctional. All along Fellay and his colleagues have been playing the old North Vietnamese game of continuing hostilities while participating in 'negotiations' They knew that there was never a snowflake's chance in Hell of being integrated into the Catholic Church because of their refusal to accept the magisterial doctrine taught in Dignitais Humanae Nostrae, Nostra Aetate as well as whole sections of Lumen Gentium, Gaudium et Spes and Sacrosanctum Concilium. They were never going to accept way the 2800 bishops of Vatican II interpreted their own Conciliar teachings and applied them including the Vernacular Mass. 

Lionel:The issue is ignorance.

Vatican Council II in Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All. The word all is used. We now know that the baptism of desire, the baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance refere to hypothetical cases. and not objectively visible non Catholics saved outside the Church. So BOD, BOB and I. I do not contradict traditional EENS nor Ad Gentes 7.

With EENS intact we are back to the past ecclesiology with Vatican Council II. So there can only be an ecumenism of return. Since there is no known salvation in the present times mentioned in Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate, Gaudium et Specs etc, the priority is being a member of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) for salvation. So there is the necessity to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the Kingover all political legislation with the non separation of Church and State.

So Vatican Council II supports Tradition.

The SSPX bishops and priests have to understand this and then inform the 2800 bishops about it.

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SSPX, at the extreme end of the Trad rejectionist spectrum have resorted to putting up the smoke screen of 'orthodoxy' vs heterodoxy all the while rejecting Vatican II which all the Popes since the Council have affirmed is completely within and even contains the whole Tradition of the Catholic Church.

Lionel: Vatican Council II is in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and so encompasses the whole Tradition of the Catholic Church.

However Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise by the present two popes and the Left, is a false Council and must continue to be rejected by the SSPX.This is the Council with the false and irrational interpretation of the CDF, Ecclesia Dei and the cardinals and bishops who offer Mass in the vernacular.

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My prediction is that SSPX will end up being the catholic equivalent of Jonestown. 

Lionel. The SSPX must interpret Vatican Council II rationally. They would also have to accept EENS without BOD, BOB andI.I being exceptions.Then they must point out to the Vatican, that Vatican Council II is not an issue. They affirm the Council along with the  dogma EENS according to the Magisterium of the 16th century.

The liberals and the Left will then have to reject Vatican Council II.

-Lionel Andrades