In the deceptive line of Placeut Deo which denied the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) by assuming hypothetical and speculative cases like Gaudium et Specs 22 and Lumen Gentium 8 were practical exceptions to EENS, Bishop Robert Barron interprets Vatican Council II as saying someone outside the Church can be saved, is saved and known to be saved.So for him a non Catholic does not have to be a member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven.
He does not tell Ben Shapiro that the Catholic Church says in Vatican Council II that he needs to enter the Church. He does not tell him that the Church says he will damned, without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7) which is the only known way of salvation in the Catholic Church.There are no known cases in real life of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).
Why? Why does he not tell Shapiro that the Catholic Church says he needs to convert for salvation?
1.He could have cited Ad Gentes 7 which say all need faith and baptism for salvation.
2. He could have cited the popes or the Catechism of Pope Pius X which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation.
3.He could have cited the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says the Church does not know of any means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water(CCC 1257).
4.He could have cited the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils etc, etc...
Why did he not do it?
Since for Bishop Barron like Cardinal Luiz Ladaria a hypothetical case mentioned in Vatican Council II is an exception to the general teaching on no salvation outside the Church. This error is there in one of Bishop Barron's books.
Similarly at the Placuet Deo Press Conference when Cardinal Ladaria was asked if the Church still teaches it has an exclusiveness in salvation, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), denied it.He cited Lumen Gentium 8 which was an exception for him.This is not how I interpret Lumen Gentium 8.
Lumen Gentium 8 refers to a hypothetical case how can it be an exception ?
When Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation where is the case in 2018 of someone saved without faith and baptism ? There is no such person.
When the Catechism of Pope Pius X says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation, where is the case of a non Catholic saved outside the Church in 2018 with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8)? There is no such person.
So how can a hypothetical and theoretical case(LG 8) be an objective exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation(CCC 1257) ?
A hypothetical case cannot be a practical exception to the dogma EENS.Period. Similarly the baptism of desire was never an exception to Feeneyite EENS.God made it this way. There is no baptism of desire case for us.
A hypothetical case cannot be a practical exception to the dogma EENS.Period. Similarly the baptism of desire was never an exception to Feeneyite EENS.God made it this way. There is no baptism of desire case for us.
There is no case of invincible ignorance, which is an example of salvation outside the Church. There is no such case in real life. Practically we cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible ignorance, within or outside the Catholic Church.God made it this way, just as he made it only possible for women to have babies, water to fall only downwards and men to marry only women.He chose it this way.He also chose salvation to be there in only the Catholic Church.For centuries the Holy Spirit guided the Church to say that every one needs to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation. Every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism.
Bishop Barron and Cardinal Ladaria's reasoning were wrong.They both should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 ( good will and good conscience) as being relevant to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
Cardinal Ladaria should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 in the text of Placuet Deo nor pulled out Lumen Gentium 8 when responding to the question by the AP reporter, on whether the Church still had exclusive salvation for him.
The norm for salvation is 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.It is not some hypothetical and speculative case mentioned in LG 8 and GS 22.
For Bishop Barron before Ben Shapiro the exception is someone in another religion who is saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846).This is the new theology of Cardinal Ratzinger based on invisible cases of the baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance being visible exceptions to the dogma EENS.
This person who is theoretically saved by Jesus in another religion for Bishop Barron, becomes an exception to the dogma EENS, Ad Gentes 7, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.This was the bad reasoning of Placuet Deo addressed to all bishops.
Bishop Barron then cites Gaudium et Specs 22 and says a man with good will,as an atheist, can be saved.Once again he means a hypothetical case, a speculative case, completely unknown to any of us humans is an objective exception to the dogma EENS. It would have to be an objective person. An invisible person cannot be an exception to EENS.
This is bad philosophy i.e an invisible non Catholic is alleged to be physically visible.
It is also bad theology ( baron theology) i.e an unknown non Catholic is an example of salvation outside the Church and this invisible person contradicts the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.
Cardinal Ladaria, Bishop Robert Barron , Pope Benedict... continue to test our intelligence and get away with it.
Bishop Barron refers to an atheist of good will who follows his conscience who can be saved. Who is this atheist? Does he know someone in particular? No.
A theoretical case of an atheist makes Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II irrelevant and obsolete for the liberals American bishops.This is the USCCB policy. This is how Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee interprets Vatican Council II.
So when Jesus said to go out and proclaim the Good News, this case of the atheist, would be a general exception for them.
When Jesus said those who do not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:16) there are exceptions for the liberals in LG 8, LG14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.?
This is why Pope Benedict in March 2016( Avvenire) asked why was there a need for mission since for him the non existing exceptions of LG 8 etc in Vatican Council II are the objective norm.Similarly for Bishop Barron the theoretical and hypothetical exception is the norm for salvation and so he does not tell Shapiro that he needs to convert to avoid the fires of Hell.--Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 22, 2018
First Things produced a naive report on Placuet Deo
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/first-things-produced-naive-report-on.html
According to St. Thomas Aquinas whom he admires Bishop Barron would be in first class heresy
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