October 20,2016
Dear Brother Andre Marie
Thank you for your letter of May 26, 2016, with which you respond to the April 15,
2016 letter of this Congregation. With the letter, you submit for the review of this Dicastery a
series of observations regarding the principle "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus." Furthermore,
you request to meet in person with officials from this Dicastery in order to explain your
position more clearly.
In point eight of your observations you state that the articles from the Catechism of
the Catholic Church and Dominus Jesus, which are constitutive of Catholic teaching on this
subject, "have been given different readings that are contrary to one another." You also
indicate that it is permissible to hold the position that these articles "contradict what was
previously taught."
Lionel : Yes. If hypothetical cases in the Catechism of the Catholic Church refer to objective people in the present times then there would be a contradiction. This is how the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) interprets Magisterial documents to create a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century.
If hypothetical cases are interpreted as just being hypothetical and so not objective exceptions to the teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation, then the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Dominus Iesus do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
In conclusion, you suggest that these articles do not need to be accepted,
under the principle "Obsucura Per Clara Interpr§tandq Sunt" and the h_erm__eneutic ,-~
continuity. This position that you retain, even after the reception of our April 15 letter, is
unacceptable and your request to meet with the officials of this Congregation cannot be
granted.
As the Congregation stated in our April 15 letter to you, which the Congregation also
shared with Bishop Libasci, the principle "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" must be interpreted
according to the official doctrine of the Church, as it is summarized with clarity in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church (#846-#848)
Lionel: The Catechism of the Catholic Church (846-848) refer to hypothetical cases and so do not contradict the strict and traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For there to be an exception to the dogma EENS there must be an objective person in the present times.Someone who does not exist in 2019 for example, cannot be an exception to EENS.
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and, more in detail, in the Declaration
Dominus Jesus (#20-#22).
Lionel: Dominus Iesus says that the Church is needed for salvation, membership in the Church is necessary. This is also stated in Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) which is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846). So the Catechism affirms the strict interpetation of EENS in CCC 846 and there are no objective exceptions to EENS mentioned in CCC 846-848.
So the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Dominus Iesus support the St. Benedict Center's traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church emphasizes that all
salvation comes from Christ through the Church, which is the Body of Christ, the Sacrament
of Salvation (cf. CCC #846).
Lionel: Yes all salvation comes from Christ through the Church which is the Body of Christ and the Sacrament of Salvation and this is not an objective exception to the dogma EENS as it was interpreted for example by the Magisterium and missionaries in the 16th century.
Since if all salvation comes from the Church even through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, these being hypothetical and invisible cases for us, would not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS.
CCC 846 cannot be posited against CCC 1257 which says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. Neither can it be placed as a practical exception to the teaching in Vatican Council II (AG 7) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
So there are no objective exceptions mentioned in CCC 846 to the St. Benedict Center's teaching on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Defacto all need to be members of the Church to avoid Hell is the teaching of Magisterial documents (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church) interpreted rationally.
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The paragraph that follows, however, is equally binding, as it
considers those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church and
states that those too have the possibility of obtaining eternal salvation (cf. CCC #847).
Lionel: Once again, CCC 847 refers to a hypothetical case. Those saved in invincible ignorance are known only to God and unknown to us in personal cases. This is explained by Brother Andre Marie MIICM,on the Doctrinal Position of the St. Benedict Center.It can be read on their website.
So they are not negating CCC 847 or LG 16 since invincible ignorance cannot be an objective exception to EENS. Literally there are no known cases saved in invincible ignorance. We personally cannot meet any one saved in invincible ignorance outside the Church.
So why has the CDF mentioned CCC 847 with reference to EENS ? It is because the CDF wrongly assumes hypothetical cases are objective exceptions to the traditional interpretaion of EENS.This is irrational. For someone to be an exception to EENS he exist. We must known his name. He must be physically visible. There are no known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.
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This
being stated, the Church certainly has a perennial obligation and sacred right to evangelize all
men (cf. CCC #848).
Lionel: With this false reasoning which is not Catholic philosophy, how can it be said that the Church has a right to evangelize? Pope Benedict XVI questioned the need for mission(Avvenire,March 2016) since he too interpreted Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church as saying there is known salvation outside the Church. So if there is salvation outside the Church then why evangelize ?
For the CDF to imply that CCC 847 and LG 16(invincible ignorance) are exceptions to Feeneyite EENS means the Catechisms contradict themselves and so do the Creeds.This is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II.
The Catechism of Pope Pius X mentions invincible ignorance and it also says that all need to be members of the Church for salvation . So this Catechism would contradict itself for the CDF.
The Nicene Creed would mean, "I believe in three or more known baptisms and not one. They are desire, blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church"
The Apostles Creed would mean, "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church which teaches the Church today that there is known salvation outside the Church thus contradicting the past teaching of the Holy Spirit over the centuries.
It teaches the Church today that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions to EENS as it is mentioned in the past Catechisms.
It teaches unknown cases of the baptism of desire are known exceptions to EENS as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century.
It teaches...
To attend/offer Holy Mass with this heresy is a sacrilege.
The CDF wants Catholic religious communities and lay movements to accept heresy and sacrilege otherwise canonical probibitions will be placed upon them.
-Lionel Andrades
https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/About/FAQ/Ltr-CDF-SBC.pdf
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