Bishop Paul Martin of the Diocese of Christchurch ,New Zealand does not tell EWTN about the theological position on prayers for non Catholics.Laura Ashburn who annouces 'news from a Catholic perspective' asks him about the prayers for peace,in his homily.
The bishop and Ashburn commends the prayers for deceased Muslim brothers and sisters. 1
The following comment was posted on the blog Vox Cantoris and the owner of the blog David Domet was forced to ban all comments.2
Vox,
Here are some points related the confusion and heresy in your two posts.
1.We must observe that the norm for salvation in the Catholic Church is faith and the baptism of water. The norm is not people-could-repent-at-the-last-moment and be saved.This was the error of Fr.Charles Curran who was checked by Pope John Paul II.
2.Since there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) nor of LG 8, GS 22, UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II, there is no extraordinary way of salvation, known to us humans.
3.A non Christian, however admirable is his personality, who dies without faith and baptism(AG 7, LG 14) is oriented to Hell.
When we meet non Catholics we know all of them are oriented to Hell with no known exception.Since the nome is the dogma EENS or AG 7 and LG 14 in Vatican Council II and literally we cannot know of any exception.
4.Outside the Church there is no salvation is a dogma of the Catholic Church which is not contradicted by anything mentioned in Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).
5.Practically, there can be no known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Literally, we cannot know anyone saved with BOD,BOB or I.l.The LOHO made a mistake in 1949 and it was repeated at Vatican Council II ( 1965).
6.Since there is no known salvation outside the Church in particular cases; no literal cases, we cannot say that someone in invincible ignorance is an exception to EENS.We cannot say only those who know about Jesus and the Church( who are not in ignorance) need to enter the Church and not all in general.This is the mistake in Lumen Gentium 14 based upon the objective mistake in LOHO( 1949).
7.No one saw a St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.The Church only says she is a saint. This is all that is permitted for us humans who cannot see who is in Heaven.
8.No one saw St.Ambrose's friend, the Emperor Valentinian in Heaven, with or without the baptism of water.St. Ambrose could only speculate and hope and believe that his friend was there.
BOD, BOB and I.I for us humans can only be theoretical and speculative,I repeat.
9.A possibility of being saved outside the Church( since God is not limited) is not an actual, known person, saved outside the Church without faith and baptism.It's only a theoretical case.Also it is also possible, conversely, that there was no one saved outside the Church, over the last 50 years.
10.It is the Holy Spirit which guides the Church to say outside the Church there is no salvation.So we know how God will judge and what is the objective reality after death.Personal sentiments for people cannot change this objective reality.
So Catholics do not pray for non Catholics who have died.We can express our condolences and sympathy with non Catholic friends at the human level.We pray for non Catholics who are living. We can hope that God will show them the truth and that they may have what is needed to follow it.-Lionel Andrades
http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2019/03/you-expect-people-to-come-to-catholic.html
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https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/news/ewtn-and-bishop-of-the-diocese-of-christchurch-promote-an-interfaith-service/?utm_source=Slider&utm_medium=S-img&utm_campaign=Slider#.XJeJbNJKjIU
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MARCH 23, 2019
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