February 22, 2018
I affirm magisterial documents with a rational theology it is the popes and the rest of the Church who have to change and do the same. They should not expect me to repeat all their irrationality with reference to EENS and so go into schism like them
I affirm all magisterial documents and for me Lumen Gentium 16(invincible ignorance) refers to hypothetical cases, invisible people in 2018.
The
present two popes and all who follow them also affirm all magisterial
documents but for them LG 16 refers to non hypothetical and visible
people in 2018.
I
am in harmony with the Magisterium of the 16th century while they are
in a rupture with the past Magisterium. They are in schism.
This
was officially confirmed by Pope Benedict XVI in March 2016 when he
said that EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th
century(Avvenire).
The
two popes and all those who follow them in the Catholic Church have
simply to continue affirming all magisterial documents but interpret LG
16 like me.They will have corrected themselves and will no more be in
schism.
Once again 'Rome will come back to theFaith'.
1.They
must understand that hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Coouncil
II(LG16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 tec) cannot be exceptions to EENS.
2.Similarly
they must understand that hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I cannot
be objective exceptions to Feeneyite EENS or as it was understood in
the 16th century.
Now with this error we have two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
Now with this error we have two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
Even
if a St.Emerentiana allegedly was saved withtout the baptism of water
in the Church she is not an exception to EENS in 2018.
Even
if someone at the last moment before death repents and is to be saved
he is not known to us human beings and cannot be relevant to EENS.
Even if some one is saved in another religion it is a hypothetical case and so it cannot be an exception to the dogma EENS. An
exception must exist and be different. If there is a box of oranges
and there is an apple in that box that apple is an exception since it is
different and also since it exists there in that box. If it was
different but not in that box, it would not be an exception there.
Here
are some exceptions to EENS mentioned by Michael Voris on a Vortex
program.Similar exceptions have also been mentioned by Bradley Eli on
Church Militant TV.
Some of Michael Voris' exceptions in the Vortex, Do Non Catholics Go to Hell are :-
1.Beyond being a card carrying Catholic to go to Heaven.It is not important if one is card carrying member of the Church or not.
2.God’s
grace is not bound by the sacraments. He can certainly operate outside
of them. As if we could know and so it is relevant.
3. Does
the “good” Protestant husband and father go to Hell because he wasn’t
Catholic? Can we judge who among the Catholics is good and will be an
exception to EENS ?
4. It
should not be asked, “Will he go to Heaven if he wasn’t Catholic?” but,
“Was he in a state of grace".So can we know if someone is in a state
of grace and so will be an exception to the dogma EENS?
5.Now,
we can never know with any certitude, of course, the disposition of any
particular soul; that is completely in the realm of Our Lord as
Judge.Exactly and so every one needs to be ' a card carrying member of
the Church' to avoid Hell.
6.But
in the hypothetical discussions people engage in, we can ask these
questions. We speak in hypotheticals because principles of understanding
fall from them. All the exceptions mentioned here are hypotheticals.
7.Faithful
sacrament-frequenting Catholics are much more likely to be saved than
anyone else because such a man is much more likely to die in a state of
grace.A hypothetical and subjective evaluation. This is a compromise
since Michael Voris does not want to say all Jews, Muslims, Protestants
and other non Catholics in Detroit are on the way to Hell and there are
no known exceptions. For CMTV Lumen Gentium 16 refers to an exception to
the dogma EENS.
8. It
is much more difficult to be saved if you are not a Catholic with
access to the sacraments to restore you to and keep you in a state of
grace.True but still every one with no exception in Detroit,Michigan
needs to enter the Church as a member , with faith and baptism, to avoid
the fires of Hell ( for salvation).This is a Magisterial teaching today
with Feeneyite theology.
This is not the teaching of magisterial documents interpreted by the two popes with irrational Cushingite theology.
9.All
salvation comes through the Catholic Church, and outside of Her there
is no salvation.This is a cop out. He is repeating Cardinal Joseph
Ratzinger's New Theology in the Catechism of the Catholic Church(846).It
was used to deny the dogma EENS and to call it an 'aphorism'. So EENS
was changed and so was the interpretation of Vatican Council II. 1
How
can invisible people, probabilities, speculative possibilities be
exceptions to EENS when they do not exist in our reality ? HOw can
people in Heaven be also seen on earth ? This reasoning violates the Principle of Non Contradiction of Aristotele.
With Feeneyism these nine points are simply hypothetical and so they are not practical exceptions to the dogma EENS.
With
Cushingite theology hypothetical cases are not hypothetical but known
people saved outside the Church in the present times.So they become
exceptions to EENS in the present times.
Michael Voris interprets the Catechism and Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases not hypothetical in the present times.
So
what am I to do ? They do not expect me to repeat all this
irrationality with reference to EENS and to also go into schism like
them ?
I
affirm magisterial documents with a rational theology it is the popes
and the rest of the Church who have to change and do the same.
They need to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism like I do. 2
-Lionel Andrades
1.
FEBRUARY 18, 2018
There will not be mission for Michael Voris based on the traditional teaching of the Church supported by Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) since he chooses Cushingism.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/there-will-not-be-mission-for-michael.html
2.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH INTERPRETED WITH FEENEYISM(LIKE ME) AND CUSHINGISM( LIKE THE POPES AND CMTV)
1257 The
Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also
commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to
baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the
Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking
for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than
Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes
care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see
that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Catechism of the Catholic Church
Feeneyite line.
The
Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also
commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to
baptize them.
Feeneyite passage:
The
Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry
into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the
mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be
baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."
Feeneyite line.
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,
Cushingite line
for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.
Cushingite line
he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Now Michael Voris being a Cushingite in theology assumes that what is written in red is an exception to that written in blue.
For him the hypothetical passages inred are not hypothetical. So they can be exceptions to the passages inblue.
So the passages in red are relevant and are exceptions to the passage inblue for him.
So
he cannot come out outright and say : all non Catholics in the world
in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they
enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.
For me the text in red refers
to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved
outside the Church in the present times. So they are not practical
exceptions to the text inblue.
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
Feeneyism for
me means the absense of the irrational premise ( hypothetical cases
like the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are
non hypothetical in 2018).
So the nine points of Michael Voris are
hypothetical cases which are non hypothetical and they prevent him from
saying all non Catholics in 2018 need to enter the Church to avoid
Hell.
If I was presenting this Vortex I would not have mentioned these nine points since they are not relevant to EENS. This is even though the authors of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) are Cushingites.The Catechism can be re-interpreted with Feeneyism.
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VATICAN COUNCIL II INTERPRETED WITH FEENEYISM(LIKE ME) AND CUSHINGISM( LIKE THE POPES AND CMTV)
Therefore,
all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and
all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which
is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the
necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same
time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by
baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though
aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something
necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in
it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those
inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is
impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the
Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the
Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power
and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly
gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16).
The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary
activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which
they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life
and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified,
provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation,
which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Feeneyite passage:
Therefore,
all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and
all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which
is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the
necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same
time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by
baptism, as by a door.
yet
a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a
sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today
as always retains its power and necessity.
The
members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity
by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire
to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life
to come.
Finally,
by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided
that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He
has accomplished in Christ.
Cushingite passages:
Therefore
those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus
Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to
enter into it, or to persevere in it."
Therefore
though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant
of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to
please Him
So I am reading the same passage as Michael but my theology is Feeneyite.
So for me Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and this must be proclaimed in mission.But for Michael Voris there are exceptions of those 'inculpably ignorant of the Gospel' whom God can lead to Himself.This is a non hypothetical case for Michael. So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for him, as the blue passages in Ad Gentes 7 tell me.
So we are both reading the same passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) but he does it with Cushingite theology which depends on the false premise. I avoid it.This I call Feeneyism.
So Michael Voris will not say that all Jews and Muslims in Detroit are on the way to Hell in 2018 unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).There will not be mission for him based on this traditional teaching of the Church.-
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I am a Feeneyite who does not reject BOD, BOB and I.I
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-who-does-not-reject-bod.html
FEBRUARY 17, 2018
I affirm baptism of desire(BOD) Feeneyite and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Feeneyite.I do not reject BOD,baptism of blood (BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) which are always Feeneyite for me.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-affirm-baptism-of-desirebod-feeneyite.html
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Nicene Creed(10)
Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake(5)
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite)(2)
Catechism of the Catholic Church (Feeneyite)(2)
Feeneyite EENS(1)
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Cushing heresy(4)
Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error(22)
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