Vatican Council II = extra ecclesiam nulla salus. A badge saying EENS would refer to Vatican Council II for me.

The German bishops interpret Lumen Gentium as a rupture with the past ecclesiology. They interpret Ad Gentes  as a rupture with traditional mission based on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. They interpret Unitatis Redintigratio  as a rupture with an ecumenism of return. So Vatican Council II is made a rupture with Tradition ( Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed, EENS etc).With this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II the ecclesiology of the Church has changed for them. Instead of outside the Church there is no salvation it has become outside the Church there is salvation.There are exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).EENS, the Athanasius Creed , the Syllabus of Errors etc for them, in Germany, have become obsolete.

With such a big change in ecclesiology they feel they can change morals on the divorced and remarried issue.Sacramental theology is changed with the Eucharist being given to Protestants.Now they make demands for a national  synod.

It all began with their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.

Pope Francis and the traditionalists interpret the Council with the same irrational reasoning as the traditionalists, sedevacantists and conservative Catholics who are all Cushingites in their philosophy and theology. So the books by Mgs. Joseph C. Fenton and Fr. John Hardon can be misleading. The books by Roberto dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara on Vatican Council II are based upon an irrational interpretation. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and those of the liberals are misleading for Catholics.They used a false premise to interpret the Council and were not aware of it.The SSPX bishops and priests today make the same error.

For me Lumen Gentium ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16) refers to only hypothetical cases and so it is not a rupture with the past ecclesiology.The ecclesiology of the Church before and after Vatican Council II is the same for me.

I cannot see or meet any one saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), elements of sanctification and truth (LG 8),or where the Catholic Church allegedly subsists outside its visible boundaries(LG 8). 

I do not know any Catholic who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved.It is  an unknown case for me(LG 14).

I cannot know who knows or does not know about Jesus and the Church and is saved or not saved (LG 14). This is unknown for human beings.

It is the same for the theoretical and speculative possibilities in Ad Gentes , Unitatis Redintigratio etc.

So Vatican Council II is traditional for me. There is no rupture.

Vatican Council II = extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

A badge saying EENS would refer to Vatican Council II for me.
-Lionel Andrades