I accept Vatican Council II but I avoid the common fake premise. So the Council is traditional and Feeneyite for me. Don't expect me to say that I personally know non-Catholics saved outside the Church. The norm for salvation is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) defined by three Church Councils and if there are exceptions they can only be known to God. So we know of the ordinary means of salvation, faith and the baptism of water(Ad Gentes 7).There is no extraordinary way known to us humans

 I accept Vatican Council II but I avoid the common fake premise. So the Council is traditional and Feeneyite for me. 

Don't expect me to say that I personally know non-Catholics saved outside the Church. 

The norm for salvation is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) defined by three Church Councils and if there are exceptions they can only be known to God.

So we know of the ordinary means of salvation, faith and the baptism of water(Ad Gentes 7).There is no extraordinary way known to us humans. -Lionel Andrades