The USCCB needs to clarify that LG 16 (I.I) and LG 14 (BOD) refer to only hypothetical cases in 2022 : otherwise it is promoting a lie

 

The American bishops (USCCB) are cheating. The Catholic Church has always taught that there is exclusive salvation in only Jesus in His Mystical Body the Catholic Church. The USCCB bishops say ‘No’. There are exceptions for them. Example, people who are in ignorance and do not know the Gospel for no fault of their own(LG 14) or who have a desire to receive the baptism of water but die before receiving it. They too will be saved for the USCCB bishops. So not everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation is their false reasoning.

It is false since being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) or with the desire for the baptism of water, commonly called the baptism of desire (BOD) are not objective cases in the present times. We cannot see someone saved with BOD or I.I. It is known only to God. So it is false to project BOD and I.I as being practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation. So it is false for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to suggest that there are known cases of BOD and I.I in 2021-2022.How can invisible cases of BOD and I.I be practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Church there is no salvation) in the present times? How can BOD and I.I contradict the Athanasius Creed?

Yes, the American bishops will not affirm the Athanasius Creed in public.

They use a Fake Premise (invisible people are visible in the present times). Then they follow it with a False Inference (there are invisible cases of non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water).

Then there is the False Conclusion (everyone does not need to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. The Athanasius Creed, dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors are obsolete with the exceptions).

So in the past the popes taught that outside the Church there is no salvation, now the Americanists say outside the Church there is salvation. This is specious reasoning.

RATIONAL PREMISE FOR ME

I still continue to use the Rational Premise ( invisible people are invisible ) and Lumen Gentium 14( BOD) and Lumen Gentium 16( I.I) in Vatican Council II refer to only speculative, hypothetical and theoretical cases in 2022.

So there are no exceptions for EENS etc, mentioned in Vatican Council II, for me. The Athanasius Creed, the dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors are not contradicted by Vatican Council II. No exceptions are mentioned in the text of Vatican Council II.

VATICAN COUNCIL II (RATIONAL) SUPPORTS EENS

Instead, Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 say all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation. The word all is used in Ad Gentes 7.

So the Catholic Church, for me, still affirms that it has exclusive salvation. My premise and inference are rational and so my conclusion is traditional. I consider this being Catholic and this is being honest.

The Catholic Church has not changed its teaching on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16. There is the Great Commission- with no known exceptions in practical life.This is a practical reality. Non Catholics need to convert to avoid Hell ( for salvation) is still the hard truth taught by the Catholic Church in Vatican Council II(rational) and other Magisterial Documents interpreted rationally. So the American bishops are cheating.

They lie for political reasons. How can they be trusted on other issues? They need to correct the error.

They are unethical even by secular standards in the USA.

Bishop Robert Barron when asked by Ben Shapiro, an orthodox Jew, if he needed to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell (for salvation)- Bishop Barron said No. Barron then rationalized.He indicated that Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) was a practical exception for the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, which he denied before Shapiro.

Ben Shapiro was not in invincible ignorance and neither did he have the desire for the baptism of water.

But Bishop Barron was saying that the non Christian did not need to convert and that there was no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. For salvation it was not necessary to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for Bishop Barron. 

He projected invisible cases as being visible exceptions for Catholic Tradition.

Imagine it- when you meet the average American bishop, you know his concept of reality is different from yours. For him invisible people are visible and for me invisible people are invisible. So his concepts in medicine, health, pharmacology, medical treatment and rehabilitation, COVID etc, could also be different.

Their opinion on child safety could also be different, since their objective reality, is different from mine – what is invisible in the present life is visible for the USCCB.

Practically we are living in different realities. Their boarding of airplanes could be different and in emergency situations could also be differet.

Is it honest and legal, for them to teach Catholics, and inform people at large, that physically invisible people are visible? We can see and meet a baptism of desire case in New York or California?

Can they be trusted with finances?

It may not be a mortal sin, for them, since their objective reality on earth, is different.

The USCCB needs to clarify that LG 16 (I.I) and LG 14 (BOD) refer to only hypothetical cases in 2022.  -Lionel Andrades