SSPX priest affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the old Church Councils and Catechisms but not Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church

 

SSPX priest affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the old Church Councils and Catechisms but not Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I spoke to the priest of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), who offered the Latin Mass today morning at 11 a.m at the SSPX chapel in Rome. He affirms the traditional Church teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation. I cited the Councils of Florence and Lateran and the Catechisms of Baltimore, Trent and Pius X. He was in agreement.

Father Federico Montani was commenting on my badge. It says in Italian, outside the Church there is no salvation. It cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 and John 3:5 and Mark 16:16 in the Bible.

He supported the message of the badge I was wearing except for the reference to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. CCC 846 also mentions Lumen Gentium 14.

He criticized Vatican Council II (irrational). I too reject Vatican Council II, irrational but I affirm the Council interpreted rationally. It supports the dogma EENS. I accept Vatican Council II. It can only be interpreted rationally. Fr.Montani's interpretation is unethical.

I too like him affirm the dogma EENS according to the Church Councils and Catechisms but I re-interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church  differently. He supported the work of Fr. Matthias Gaudron an SSPX priest.Gaudron’s book was on display inside the chapel.

Fr.Gaudron interprets LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc irrationally with the common false premise. So the Council is a break with Tradition. I use the rational premise and inference and so LG 8 etc do not contradict EENS. There is no break with Tradition.LG 8 etc also do not contradict Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 which says all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

He was not willing to talk on this subject i.e. invisible or visible cases of LG 8 etc have two different conclusions, one non traditional and the other traditional. 

He said that he was not a spokesman of the SSPX and suggested I contact the superior at Albano. I told him I have tried to. They do not respond to e-mails.

This has become a political issue and so Albano and Econe are avoid any comment. The Left and the Vatican only support the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. Otherwise Pope Francis would emerge a rad trad if he used the rational premise and upheld Tradition.

If Econe or Albano interprets Vatican Council II like me then they would officially be affirming Feeneyite EENS. They would also be rejecting the irrational 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston which the liberals placed in the Denzinger and cited at Vatican Council II (LG 16).

 If there are no exceptions mentioned in the text of Vatican Council II for EENS, then this would be a break with the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II by Archbishop Lefebvre. It would mean that even the SSPX bishops he ordained, were wrong about the Council. So the ecclesiology would be the same at the Latin and Novus Ordo Mass. The whole Church would return to Tradition. - Lionel Andrades