The Urbaniana, John Lateran and Gregorian University and public and private universities in Italy, accept
Doctorate and Masters thesis of students and seminarians, who only interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, with a fake
premise, inference and non traditional conclusion. This is approved by the
Vatican’s Congregation for Education and the Italian Ministry of Education and Pope Francis and Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.
The
pontifical and private universities in Italy must interpret Vatican Council
II rationally, with the irrational premise, inference and traditional
conclusion for then there will be no rupture Tradition. The Council will have a continuity
with Tradition, at every Mass, in different rites.
SSPX EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS
So even at the SSPX educational institutions, and in sermons, the SSPX priests in Rome, only interpret Vatican Council II falsely, as a break with Tradition. This error is expressed in the books written by SSPX priests and in their magazines in Italian.They have had SSPX conferences at Rimini, Italy. Speakers have only interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, as referring to physically invisible non Catholics who are saved outside the Catholic Church, without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.
So the SSPX bishops, priests and lay supporters like Roberto dei Mattei, only interpret LG 8,14,16,UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, as a rupture with the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215).It is the same with the popes and liberals in general. They reject the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442) by confusing invisible cases of LG 8, 14 and 16 etc, being visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. This is official and public. There is no denial. So they are not accused of being Anti Semitic, rigid and fundamentalist etc. - Lionel Andrades
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UNE 30, 2023
The Italian Government must note that all the cardinals are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. Also all the schools, colleges, universities and seminaries are doing the same.
The Italian Government must note that all the cardinals are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. Also all the schools, colleges, universities and seminaries are doing the same. They interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, in Vatican Council II, as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church, in 1965-2023.Then they project these ‘physically visible cases, as being practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Catechisms of Pope Pius X and Trent. There is a break with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church. Even the Catechism of Pope John Paul II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is interpreted irrationally (845, 846, 1257,847,848 etc).
This mistake at the Vatican and Italian Embassies can be corrected by interpreting LG 8, 14, 16 etc, rationally. There is a return to Tradition in the Catholic Church.
The media must stop calling those who attend the Latin Mass, traditionalists. Since when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally, even those who go for Mass in the vernacular, become traditionalists.
The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) and the sedevacantist communities like CMRI, MHT etc, produce division in the Church when they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. The traditionalist-liberal division ends when the Council interpreted rationally. There is no more theological liberalism. Innovation in faith and morals can no more be rationalized. Since the Council can no more be cited to support liberalism? LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215). The Council supports Feeneyite EENS. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 29, 2023
The Italian Government must ask the Dept. of Education, Italy and the Congregation for Education, Vatican to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and honestly
The Italian Government must ask the Department of Education, Italy and the Congregation for Education, Vatican to only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so honestly. All the universities, seminaries, colleges and schools in Italy must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally, this must be obligatory.
All the pontifical universities and also the still-closed Terra Santa seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so ethically.
They must interpret LG 8, 14, 16, UR3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to hypothetical and physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.
They must not project these theoretical cases of LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So Vatican Council II interpreted rationally, with LG 8 etc referring to only speculative cases does not contradict the dogma EENS defined by the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442). Vatican Council II has a continuity with Tradition.The Council has a continuity with the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pope Pius X and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. There is no break with the popes and saints in the historical Catholic Church in Italy. The Church today, with Vatican Council II, rational, has returned to the old understanding of Church, of the Papal States. -Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Catholic layman in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, one rational and the other rational.One is interpreted with a false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and and the other, the common one, is non-Magisterial. An irrational interpretation cannot be Magisterial.One is ethical and the other is unethical.It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There cannot be two interpretations. This is a discovery.Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non-traditional,and schismatic, when there is a rational option which is traditional? Why must the Italian government of Georgia Melloni be dishonest? The popes, cardinals and bishops choose the wrong interpretation. It is irrational and so it is not Catholic. Blog: Eucharist and Mission (Lionel's blog) : eucharistandmission E-mail: liolandrades10@gmail.com Twitter : LionelAndrades1
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JUNE 28, 2023
The Italian Government, especially its ministries of Interior, Foreign Relations, Education and Judiciary must clarify that Vatican Council II is only to be interpreted rationally and traditionally.
The Italian Government, especially its ministries of Interior, Foreign Relations, Education and Judiciary must clarify that Vatican Council II is only to be interpreted rationally and traditionally. It has a continuity with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) of Pope Honorius III who approved the Order of Preachers of St. Dominic Guzman.
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Vatican Council II must only be interpreted rationally and this would be ethical for the Meloni Government.
The Government must reject the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being physically visible exceptions for the dogma EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence(1442).
Also the Concordat with the Vatican would be based only on Vatican Council II interpreted rationally and not irrationally. So the Council would be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church and so would be in line with the 1929 Concordat.
LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases, always. This needs to be clarified by the Vatican and Italian Government embassies.
The Carabinieri and Italian Police must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
There is only one honest option for the Judiciary. Judges in the secular and ecclesiastical courts must only interpret Vatican Council rationally. Even Canonical Associations and University Departments of Jurisprudence, have only the rational choice. -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 28, 2023
We are back to the past with Vatican Council II : the original problem was philosophical
If I say someone or something is invisible and you say it is visible we have two different conclusions. If something invisible is mistaken as being visible, then it is an error of observation, an empirical error, and an objective error. This is philosophy.
Then when invisible people are assumed to be visible a New Theology is created. It says outside the Church there is salvation.
It is no more extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Church there is no salvation).
So the theology is based on an error in reasoning. It is irrational.
The saints Thomas Aquinas, Augustine etc were rational.
The mistake in reasoning was there in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO). It projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).So with this error the dogma EENS was made obsolete.
The error was repeated at Vatican Council II. It is as if the Council was called to implement the error in the 1949 LOHO. It projected invisible cases of the BOD and I.I as being visible exceptions for the dogma EENS.So with this error the dogma EENS was made obsolete.
Why were LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 mentioned in Vatican Council II? These are all hypothetical cases. They do not contradict the dogma EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors?
Now if we see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being only theoretical cases; they exist only in our mind, then the Council does not contradict the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215).It did not mention any exceptions.
Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 support EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology. LG 14 is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.
So the Church today has returned to the pre-Vatican Council II theology and philosophy, without the 1949 LOHO mistake. There is no more a pre and post mistake .There is no more a pre-Vatican Council II theology. There is no more ‘a revolution’, in the Church or ‘a new revelation’. We do not have ‘a new magisterium’, a term used by Cardinal Arthur Roche. We are back to the ecclesiology of the 16th century Roman Missal of the Latin Mass. This is the ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass today.
The CDF (Holy Office) officially made an objective mistake in the 1949 LOHO. He can now re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
When the BOD and I.I are interpreted rationally there is no change in the Nicene Creed, ‘I believe in one baptism' (and not three or more known baptisms).
There is no change in the Athanasius Creed which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation. This Creed should no more be obsolete for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
There is no change in the Apostles Creed. The 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church..', still teaches that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation; there is no known salvation. - Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 28, 2023
We now have a Vatican Council II which is rational and traditional. So Cardinal Grech and Hollerich's Instrumental Laboris of the Synod is obsolete. How can you have a Synod which comes ‘out of the blue’ and supports polygamous, homosexual-sex and other mortal sins of faith?
We now have a Vatican Council II which is rational and traditional. So Cardinal Grech and Hollerich's Instrumental Laboris of the Synod is obsolete. How can you have a Synod which comes ‘out of the blue’ and supports polygamous, homosexual-sex and other mortal sins of faith?
They cannot justify all this irrationalism with a traditional Vatican Council II.Since it supports only the old exclesiology of the 16th century Roman Missal at the Latin Mass. - Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 28, 2023
The Synods have to be cancelled. They are based on the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II . It would be dishonest to keep repeating the mistake. Cardinals Grech and Hollerich and Sister Nathalie Bequart and Cardinal Marx and Bishop Batzing, interpret the Council irrationally.
We now have a Vatican Council II which is rational and traditional. So Cardinal Grech and Hollerich's Instrumental Laboris of the Synod, is obsolete. How can you have a Synod which comes ‘out of the blue’ and supports polygamous, homosexual-sex and other mortal sins of faith?
They cannot justify all their irrationalism, with a traditional Vatican Council II which supports only the old exclesiology of the 16th century Roman Missal at the Latin Mass.
Now that we can interpret Vatican Council II rationally – there can be only one interpretation of the Council. The irrational version is obsolete.
So Pope Francis, the cardinals and the bishops, are not apostolic and magisterial in their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. They have to switch to the rational option, which is apostolic and magisterial. The rational interpretation with LG 8, 14,16 etc being only hypothetical and theoretical, is not in schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries.
So the Synods have to be cancelled. They are based on the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II . It would be dishonest to keep repeating the mistake. Cardinals Grech and Hollerich and Sister Nathalie Bequart and Cardinal Marx and Bishop Batzing, interpret the Council irrationally. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 27, 2023
CARDINALS GRECH AND HOLLERICH SAY AT THE LAST SYNOD PRESS CONFERENCE THAT “WE DON’T JUDGE” BUT THE BIBLE TELLS US WE CAN JUDGE, WE CAN JUDGE WHICH SINS WILL TAKE US TO HELL. JESUS JUDGES.
Cardinals Grech and Hollerich say at the last Synod Press Conference that “we don’t judge” but the Bible tells us we can judge, we can judge which sins will take us to Hell. Jesus judges. Also, the cardinals Grech and Hollerich have judged that Catholics can interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and produce a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
The dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, judge, that non Catholic Christians are outside the Catholic Church.They judge that they are oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water, in the Catholic Church.
In the Gospel Reading from Matthew last Sunday at Mass in Italian, Jesus said that those who deny Him before men he will deny before His Father in Heaven. Jesus and His Mystical Body the Catholic Church are denied, when we interpret the Creeds, Catechisms, Councils and especially Vatican Council II irrationally.
Hollerich and Grech are denying
Jesus when they create a New Church, a false new church, to please the Left and Satan.
St. Nathalie Bequart, Consultant at the Synod, has judged that when she interprets Vatican Council II in Lumen Gentium 8,14 and 16 etc, as referring to objective cases in 2023, of non Catholics saved outside the Church, then Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the rest of Tradition.
Then she ‘judges’ that since Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it is possible to have polygamy, approved LGBT-sex etc,etc.
Hollerich and Grech ‘judge’ that Nathalie Bequart is correct.
Then they all ‘judge’ that their ‘listening Church’ and ‘walking together’ New Church, is meaningful.They call this proclaiming the Gospel.They indicate wrongly that this is and traditional mission. This is false. Since mission over the centuries, was always ecclesiocentric.It was based on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. But they have judged otherwise.
They do not want to ‘walk together’ and ‘listen’ to Catholics who cite the Bible, Tradition and the past Magisterium. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 22, 2023
Why should all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms like cardinals Hollerich and Grech and Pope Francis and not like me? They have an obligation to be honest.
Cardinals Hollerich and Grech’s ‘listening’ and ‘walking together’ is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and not rationally, a Council which is dishonest and not honest, heretical and not orthodox , nontraditional instead of traditional and public schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries.
This is the official heresy of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican and Pope Francis.
It is an objective and factual public error in the interpretation of Magisterial Documents (Creeds, Catechisms etc). It cannot be called Magisterial. For it to be Magisterial the interpretation has to be rational only.
The two cardinals and Sister Nathalie Bequart interpret LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, Gs 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being physically visible cases in 1965-2023. Since LG 8 etc are objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, they imply that these are visible cases, objectively known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church. They would have to be visible. Since invisible people cannot be objective exceptions for the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions.
So these cardinals and Sister Nathalie Bequart do not want the past exclusivist ecclesiology on mission, salvation, matrimony, LGBT sex etc. So they have interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally in the Methodology of the first session of the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the these:” For a synodal Church: communion, participation, mission”( 4 to 29 October 2023).By interpreting the Council irrationally in October they will not judge polygamy as a sin just as divorce and re-marriage is not a sin for Pope Francis. Cardinal Walter Kasper has said that if Vatican Council II can change the ecclesiology of the Church why cannot the divorce and remarried be given the Eucharist at Mass. He means Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
They know that with Vatican Council II interpreted rationally i.e. LG 8, 14, 16 etc being only hypothetical and invisible cases in 1965-2023, there are no exceptions for the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. The Church returns to traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Inter faith marriages are adultery and the couple should not receive the Eucharist. Practicing homosexuals also should not be given the Eucharist until they repent and change their lifestyle. These are the traditional teachings of the Church which are supported by Vatican Council II. The Council, interpreted rationally, has the hermeneutic of continuity with Feeneyite EENS and the rest of Tradition.
So with the discovery of Vatican Council II, rational, we are back to the past exclusivist ecclesiology, traditional faith and morals, and the old understanding of mission which is ecclesiocentric and also Christocentric.
This also requires ‘listening to’ and ‘walking together’ and ‘not being judgmental’.
I interpret Vatican Council II rationally. So the Council does not contradict Feeneyite EENS and the Fourth Lateran Council. There is no change in the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church for me. I am following the pre and post Vatican Council II Magisterium which does not change. Pope Francis and cardinals Hollerich and Grech are not doing the same. In this sense they are not Magisterial. Dishonesty is not Magisterial.
I follow the traditional teachings of the Church on homosexual sex being a mortal sin, inter faith marriages being adultery, polygamy being a grave sin etc. These moral teachings are not contradicted by Vatican Council II interpreted rationally with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. Pope Francis and cardinals Hollerich and Grech and Sr. Nathalie Bequart cannot say the same. They are not Magisterial when they reject the past Magisterium by using a false premise and inference to create new theologies and a new ecclesiology.
Why should all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms like cardinals Hollerich and Grech and Pope Francis and not like me? They have an obligation to be honest.- Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/why-should-all-cardinals-and-bishops.html
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JUNE 22, 2023
This is not Magisterial. They are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. They are choosing the false premise and inference to create a fake break with Tradition. This is a mortal sin since the Creeds are changed. Cardinals Grech and Hollerich cease to be cardinals until the scandal is ended. This press conference is political and not Catholic. This is a fake Gospel and not traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Jesus and the Bible judge. Jesus tells us people go to Hell.
On Tuesday 20 June 2023, at 14.30, in the Holy See Press Office, Saint Pius X Hall, Via dell’Ospedale 1, a press conference will be held to present the Instrumentum Laboris and Methodology of the first session of the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the theme: “For a synodal Church: communion, participation, mission” (4 to 29 October 2023).
The speakers will be:
- His Eminence Cardinal Mario Grech, secretary general of the Synod;
- His Eminence Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, S.J., archbishop of Luxembourg, general rapporteur of the 16th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops (by remote link);
- Fr. Giacomo Costa, S.J., consultor of the General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops.
During the meeting, brief testimonies on the preparation of members for the October Assembly and the possible use of the Instrumentum Laboris by local groups will be presented by
- Helena Jeppesen-Spuhler, Lenten Fund (Switzerland) member of the Swiss delegation to the Continental Assembly in Prague;
- Fr. Rafael Simbine Junior, secretary general of SECAM (by remote link)
- Sr. Nadia Coppa, A.S.C., president of the UISG.
The press conference will be livestreamed in the original language on the Vatican News YouTube channel, at https://www.youtube.com/c/VaticanNews.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2023/06/14/230614b.html
This is not Magisterial. They are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. They are choosing the false premise and inference to create a fake break with Tradition. This is a mortal sin since the Creeds are changed. Cardinals Grech and Hollerich cease to be cardinals until the scandal is ended. This press conference is political and not Catholic. This is a fake Gospel and not traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Jesus and the Bible judge. Jesus tells us people go to Hell...- Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/this-is-not-magisterialthey-are.html
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