We have a problem at Sant
Agapito. When I go there for the evening Mass in Italian, the priest can no
more put down the belief in Hell and run down the Middle Ages, with his liberal
interpretation of Vatican Council II.
The New Moral Theology, New
Ecumenism, New Theology, New Ecclesiology and New Evangelization are now
obsolete. They were based upon the dishonest interpretation of Vatican Council
II.
We are back to the old Moral
Theology, when the Council is interpreted rationally. The old moral theology,
old theology and old ecclesiology support Traditional Mission and Morals and
the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), as it was known for
centuries.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/01/the-parish-priest-has-to-tell-his.html
OCTOBER 18, 2023
Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, at the church San Agapito in Rome accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 846), while LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions for CCC 846 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions.
Father Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, at the church San Agapito in Rome accepts the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation (CCC 846), while LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not objective exceptions for CCC 846 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), which did not mention any exceptions. So he is affirming the traditional teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation, just like me. We are both saying the same thing.
If Pope Francis and the cardinals were asked if LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 etc refer to invisible cases in 2023, they too would say YES- like Fr. Boumis, the Missionaries of Charity(Men) of Mother Teresa, the Cardinal Vicar General and the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome. We are all in agree ment.
So when they all refer to extra ecclesiam nulla salus it is a reference to Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. When they refer to the dogma EENS they are also referring to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 13, 2023
Even Pope Francis and all the cardinals and bishops would have to agree with them
OCTOBER 17, 2023
Anche Papa Francesco e tutti i cardinali e vescovi dovrebbero essere d’accordo con loro
18 OTTOBRE 2023
Don Paolo Boumis, Parroco, presso la chiesa di San Agapito a Roma accetta il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica che dice che fuori della Chiesa non c'è salvezza (CCC 846), mentre LG 8,14,15,16,UR3,NA 2 , GS 22 ecc. nel Concilio Vaticano II non sono eccezioni oggettive per CCC 846 e per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) del Concilio Lateranense IV (1215), che non menzionava alcuna eccezione.
Quindi sta affermando l'insegnamento tradizionale secondo cui fuori dalla Chiesa non c'è salvezza, proprio come me. Entrambi stiamo dicendo la stessa cosa.
Se a Papa Francesco e ai cardinali venisse chiesto se LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 ecc. si riferiscono a casi invisibili nel 2023, anche loro direbbero SÌ, come Don Boumis, i Missionari della Carità di Madre Teresa, il Cardinale Vicario Generale e i Vescovi Ausiliari di Roma. Siamo tutti d'accordo.
Quindi, quando tutti fanno riferimento a extra ecclesiam nulla salus è unriferimento al Concilio Vaticano II, Ad Gentes 7, che dice che tutti hannobisogno della fede e del battesimo per la salvezza. Quando fanno riferimentoal dogma EENS si riferiscono ancheOCTOBER 10, 2023
For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis today in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
For Father Paulo Boumis there are no
physically visible cases of the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) but he will continue to have adult catechesis today in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.
Cardinal Angelo Donatis, Vicar General of the Rome Vicariate, and his Auxiliary bishops know the same, as does the National Catechetical Center, Italy, but they will teach Catechism, with this objective error,since this is what Pope Francis wants, in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
They are not concerned about the truth
or the faith, but, the political Left.
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So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,
Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of
the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7
and the dogma EENS.
Fr. Paul Boumis avoidS a discussion on this subject.He does not say that he will interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Yet the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will also affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, as referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile.
For him there are visible examples of
salvation outside the Church. For me they
are hypothetical only.
For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases.
So our premises and inferences are different. Our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional
or non-traditional.
MY CATECHESIS
So if I was presenting the Catechism in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome, I would say outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and I would cite Ad Gentes 7,
Lumen Gentium 14 and the Catechism of
the Catholic Church (845,846). For me, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc would not be objective exceptions, for Ad Gentes 7
and the dogma EENS.
Fr. Paul Boumis avoided a discussion on this subject.He did not say that he would interpret Vatican Council II rationally.
I base what I am saying on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the priest could tell other religious to avoid me? Yes. Since the priest will affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church but interpret hypothetical cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, are referring to objectively visible cases. For me they are invisibile.
For him there are visible examples of
salvation outside the Church. For me they
are hypothetical only.
For him this refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. For me they are invisible cases.
So our premises and inferences are different.
So of course our conclusions would be different, they would be traditional
or non-traditional.
He is interpreting Vatican Council II, Creeds, Catechisms and Councils like the Missionaries of Charity, men and women, nearby. When they make their Final Profession of Vows they agree to be obedient to their superiors who interpret Vatican Council II etc, irrationally and as a break with the historic Magisterium.They are following Pope Francis.- Lionel Andrades
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