Friday, June 1, 2012

Is the Catholic Church ecclesiocentric SSPX? It cannot be ecclesiocentric if those saved with the baptism of desire are explicitly known and not just accepted in principle.

The Society of St.Pius X professors of ecclesiology need to be asked how can the Church be ecclesiocentric if it is is accepted that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us, instead of being known only to God.

This is the error being taught at SSPX seminaries.The Church Fathers and the Magisterial documents  only mention being saved in invincible ignorance  and implicit desire.Neither do they state that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been contradicted.

Neither does the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make this claim when it mentions ‘the dogma’ the ‘infallible statement'. The text of the dogma is the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed implicit desire is an exception to the dogma then it was  a mistake.Since if Fr. Leonard Feeney rejected the baptism of desire, in principle or fact, it is irrelevant to his literal interpretation of the dogma.

The  SSPX has made an error in ecclesiology and are ‘piutting the blaime’ on Vatican Council  II. I can accept Vatican Council  II as a traditional Council and affirm the traditional teachings on ecumenism and other religions, which is also held by the SSPX.

The  SSPX like the Vatican Curia  does not accept the Catholic Church as  ecclesiocentric since they think that there are known exceptions, in heaven and on earth, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.

Also when they accept  that all in  general on earth need to enter the Church for salvation, they cannot say that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, because of the‘exceptions’.

Similarly they believed that all in  general at the Assisi interfaith meeting needed to convert into the Church for salvation but could not say all with  no known exceptions need to convert.

For the SSPX bishops  Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma on exclusive salvation when it is really their interpretation that is in error.

They could not point out the error in the International Theological Commission papers during the Vatican-SSPX talks , since like Fr.Luiz Ladaria S.J and Fr. Charles Morerod O.P, the SSPX team assumed that the Church is no more ecclesiocentric. So the error is in ecclesiology, their interpretation , and they assume it is in Vatican Coucnil II with respect to other religions,ecumenism and religious  liberty.
- Lionel Andrades
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Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent
Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html#links

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD
 RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF
RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links

SSPX WEBSITE: ' I believe in three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins’ ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-website-i-believe-in-three.html

WILL BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY IN THE PROFESSION OF FAITH SAY: 'I BELIEVE IN ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/will-bishop-berbard-fellay-in.html

Bishop Fellay, Fr.Schmidberger,FSSP,Joseph Fenton seem unaware the baptism of desire is not an explicit exception to the
 dogmahttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/bishop-fellay-frschmidbergerfsspjoseph.html

BISHOP ROBERT MCKENNA AND SEDEVACANTISTS MHFM DISCUSS BAPTISM OF DESIRE NOT REALIZING THAT IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/bishop-robert-mckenna-and.html

WELL DONE SSPX! NOW YOU HAVE TIME TO REFLECT. VATICAN COUNCIL II SUPPORTS THE TRADITIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF ECUMENISM, INTER RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/well-done-sspx-now-you-have-time-to.html
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George Brenner said...

There is an inherent problem whenever using the words: ' Exception ' and ' Known '

An Exception can prove the rule, disprove the rule or worst of all lead to chaos and confusion as to whether something is an exception, might be an exception or is not an exception.

Case in point: An exception proves the Rule
Example A. Sign posted says " Free parking during weekdays " implies that you park Monday through Friday for free as the rule and you may not park free on Saturday or Sunday are exceptions proving the rule.


Arthur Conan Doyle had his famous detective Sherlock Holmes utter the statement "I never make exceptions. An exception disproves the rule."

Example B. ' i ' before 'e' except after "C" eg: receive

But then OOPS: beige, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Example C: An exception can confuse the Rule

Rule: " Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
The Exception: Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood certainly does not prove the rule and certainly does not disprove the rule either.


Solution: The Church teaches 'that they too MAY( not will ) attain Salvation by receiving Baptism of Blood or Baptism of Desire as known alone to God almighty.{ then define }

This way you do not confuse the faithful and still give hope and prayer as Father Feeney says to the mercies of God and unknown to us on earth. The same applies with Invincible Ignorance. Teach the rigorist teachings and traditions of the centuries and leave the mercies to God. The crisis of faith is mainly due to lack of teaching the faith in strong clear and understandable words. Shame on many for the last fifty years.

June 2, 2012 at 2:01 AM

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