It is now quite a few years that the Federation International Una Voce (FIUV), Dr. Joseph Shaw and traditional priests and bloggers have not responded to what I write here. Here is another blog post on the same subject. It was posted on Dec.5, 2015FIUV clarification needed
The traditionalists are using an irrational theology to interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents, when they have a traditional choice. They use Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
With Cushingism they do away with the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as do the liberals and the Vatican Curia. At Fatima Our Lady said 'the dogma of the faith will be lost'.
Some interpretations of Fatima say there will be apostasy in the Church and so the Catholic Faith will be lost except at some time in the future, in Portugal.
The FIUV is also interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism and so Vatican Council II becomes a break with the past, it becomes a break with 'the dogma of the faith', extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Prof.Joseph Shaw who teaches theology at Oxford University and is an active member of the FIUV uses Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is similar to the liberal English bishops. So he attends the Traditional Latin Mass with the new theology, the new ecclesiology based on Cushingism.He promotes the traditional Latin Mass, with its rituals but with an irrational and heretical theology.This is part of the system and so he alone cannot be blamed. Even Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athansius Schneider offer the Latin Mass with the Cushingism interpretation. The dogma of the Faith has been lost.
For me there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I cannot see, know or meet any one on earth who does not need Catholic Faith with the baptism of water for salvation.I hold the old ecclesiology of the Church since I do not and cannot know of any exceptions to it. For me the dogma of the faith on salvation has not been lost.Traditional Feeneyism has not been changed for me since there are no known exceptions to it for us human beings.
The Federation International Una Voce (FIUV), approved by the Vatican and the English bishops, has issued a statement proclaiming the necessity of believing in Jesus only for salvation.This is done in the context of the Revised Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews. They will not not affirm the Feenyite version of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.FIUV implies that for salvation it is necessary to believe in Jesus with or without formal membership in the Catholic Church which He founded.It is Jesus with also the Lutheran, Anglican, Baptist, Pentecostal, Orthodox Christian and other Christian communities.It is Jesus without the Catholic Church.This is heresy.It is a rejection of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I mentioned this in a previous blog post and there is no denial from the FIUV. However they are going to keep silent and continue with the heresy since this is prudently correct for Joseph Shaw. He needs a mandatum from the English bishops to keep teaching theology and earn his living.Possibly the bishops have advised him to not respond to me.
In a previous blog post I have cited the Church documents the FIUV violates with this policy.This is the false ecumenism of the traditionalists.
All need to formally enter the Church for salvation (AG 7, LG 14, Vatican Council II ) and the baptism of desire and blood , have no connection with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church, since they are invisible cases. They are zero cases in our reality, says the U.S apologist John Martignoni, who has a program on EWTN. This is common sense.Martignoni is supported by Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson, the U.S Nuncio to the Ukraine and Fr. S. Visintin, the present Dean of Theology at the Benedictine University of San Anselm, in Rome and many Catholic priests in Rome.He is not supported by the FIUV, the traditionalists at Rorate Caeili, Remnant News, the Latin Mass Societies...and conservatives Michael Voris, Fr.John Zuhlsdorf and conservative bloggers.
Joseph Shaw and the traditionalists at Rorate Caeili, Remnant News and the Latin Mass societies are using an irrationality ( visible-dead premise) to the discard 'the dogma of the faith', as does Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith.They interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a break with 'the dogma of the faith' when they choose irrational Cushingism and reject traditional Feeneyism as a theology.
The Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales do not affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) in agreement with the traditional (Council of Trent) interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)
Questions for Dr.Joseph Shaw : answers from me
Joseph Shaw removes comment : maintains Cushingite image
The issue of Cushingism as a theology, which is irrational, popular, heretical, based on a fantasy-but magisterial needs to be discussed by the Latin Mass Society
Joseph Shaw could discuss the theological difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism and its effect on the liturgy
They are appealing to Pope Francis since he also rejects the dogma EENS and inteprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism, the same as CMTV and the liberal English bishops
Rorate Caeili/Federation International Una Voce statement is heretical for what it does not say : there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.
So far out
What does the Federation International Una Voce need to clarify an English priest asks