So now there is no doctrinal unity. Why should I say that invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to EENS and Card.Cushing, Abp. Lefebvre and Pope Pius XII were not in heresy? Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for his orthodoxy.

Pope Pius IX

Pius IX clearly says that all those who are invincibly ignorant, and yet live upright lives ready to obey God, will be saved. God does not allow anyone who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishment.

Lionel: Yes. But he does not state that we personally can know any such case in real life. So it does not make it an exception or related to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This was the mistake of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. It assumed invisible and unknown cases were exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. This mistake has continued  with the popes and it has spread through out the Church.

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Pope Pius X (Catechism)

Q: But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? (A.9 Q.29)
A: If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation.

To be united to the soul of the Church means to share in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, who is the soul of the Church--above all, to share in faith, hope, and charity. Thus according to the teaching of Pope Pius X, a person who is outside of the Church, yet not by his own fault, can posssess the theological virtues, and be on the way to salvation inside the Roman Catholic Church.

Lionel: The same as above. It is not said that this is a reference to a known person. It still is hypothetical.The liberal theologians misinterpreted it and Pope Pius XII did not correct them .There was no correction by Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
The heresy is still be taught by the CDF. The Nicene Creed has been chamged(three known baptisms) and there are two versions of Vatican Council II(Cushingite and Feeneyite).This is a doctrinal mess in the Catholic Church.

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it is not a doctrinal mess in the world.

Lionel: There is no doctrinal unity. How can I,for example, say like the two popes and the SSPX that invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS, EENS 

as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century.

Pope Benedict in March 2016(Avvenire) said EENS, for him, was no more like it was for the 16th century. This is heresy in public for me.

For me EENS today is like it was in the 16th century.

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 What is a problem is that Catholics hardly ever teach that there is no salvation outside the Catholic  Church for over 60 years now,

Lionel: Why should they teach it when the popes and the SSPX  believe that there is salvation outside the Church, since there are known cases of people saved outside the Church without the baptism of water. You also believe the same.

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 INCLUDED in this statement those that are baptized with water which is the only manner that we can teach along with those who are baptized into the Catholic faith by blood, desire or invincible ignorance.

Lionel: This is your theory.For me there are no BOD, BOB and I.I cases and so they are not relevant to EENS.

If hypothetically you say BOD.BOB and I.I are theoretically a part of EENS for you, whatever that they mean, it is fine with me.

 Since BOD,BOB and l.I are still not relevant to EENS since they are not explicit.They are not objectively visible in the present times.

However the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 considered them exceptions to EENS. You accept the Letter and so do the popes and Archbishop Lefebvre. This is a big error. It is saying that there is salavtion outside the Church. So why should it be taught that there is no salvation outside the Church, for you?

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 EVERYONE in Heaven is Catholic.

Lionel: For you this means that there are known people saved outside the Church in other religions.This was how Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr,Karl Rahner reasoned. So there was salvation outside the Church. This is a false inference.Since hypothethetical and unknown cases cannot be examples of salvation outside the Church .They are not concrete cases, known people.Since there cannot ever be known and visible cases for us humans.

This is what Pope Benedict meant in March 2016. Cardinal Cushingism said the same thing.This is a mistake.It leads to heresy.The dogma EENS is discarded with an irrational reasoning.

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 Father Feeney spoke AGAINST   Bob, Bod and II as a form of salvation within the Catholic Church

Lionel:Correct. I am saying the same thing.BOD. BOB and I.I are accepted as possibilities known only to God but there are no known cases of BOD.BOB and I.I.It is possible that there was a BOD case this year but it is also possible that there was no such case this year.

Also for me BOD, BOB and I.I would be followed with the baptism of water.Since this is the dogmatic teaching.It comes from John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.Where are the known exceptions to Jesus teachings in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16? There are none known to us.

Since BOD,BOB and I.I do not exist in our reality they never were known forms of salvation in the Catholic Church.The liberal theologians made a mistake.

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 which denied and was excommunicated for it!!!! 

Lionel: He was excommunicated for his orthodoxy. 

He would not accept the innovation in the Church.

So now there is no doctrinal unity. Why should I say that invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to EENS and Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop Lefebvre and Pope Pius XII were not heresy?

For me they were.

They were a rupture with the Magisterium in the 16th century. 

However Archbishop Lefebvre was correct in rejecting Vatican Council II in which BOD,BOB and Il.I were exceptions.Do you think he too was excommunicated 

for his orthodoxy? It was the responsibility of the Magisterium to interpret BOD,BOB and I.I as being invisible cases and so not exceptions to the past ecclesiology. Pope Benedict did not do this in March 2016.He had a choice.

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It  does matter whether we know when a person has been saved by Bob, Bod or II. 

Lionel: But how can we know ? It is only God who can see someone saved without the baptism of water and with BOD, BOB and I.I?

So how would a pope, cardinal or bishop know?

-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 11, 2018

They have rejected EENS, changed the Nicene Creed and Vatican Council II and created a new understanding of the Catholic Faith and they call themselves traditionalists!.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/they-have-rejected-eens-changed-nicene.html

FEBRUARY 11, 2018

Who saw BOD cases in Heaven? Who met them on earth?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/who-saw-bod-cases-in-heaven-who-met.html

FEBRUARY 10, 2018

Popes since Pius XII and Archbishop Lefebvre would be in heresy for the Magisterium in the 16th century

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/popes-since-pius-xii-and-archbishop.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2018

If Michael Voris could accept that Pope Pius XII, Card. Ottaviani and Abp Lefebvre were in heresy while Fr. Leonard Feeney was teaching Catholic orthodoxy then the interpretation of Vatican Council II would change for CMTV.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/if-michael-voris-could-accept-that-pope.html

FEBRUARY 8, 2018

Church Militant TV is interpreting the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II and EENS with Cushingism and so are a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Church.This is doctrinal chaos.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/church-militant-tv-is-interpreting.html
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 JANUARY 3, 2018

Similarly would you agree that when Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Pius X and Trent mentioned BOD, BOB and I.I were also referring to hypothetical cases and so they are not exceptions to EENS?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/similarly-would-you-agree-that-when.html

OCTOBER 10, 201

Vatican Council II and the Catechism of Pope Pius X are Feeneyite.They contradict Pope Pius XII,the Archbishop of Boston and the U.S Jesuits.Confusion arises with 29Q which can be interpreted as being visible or invisible  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/vatican-council-ii-and-catechism-of.html