Michael Voris can still choose the alternative interpretation of Vatican Council II and try to bring the truth out in a way which will not offend the Archdiocese.

THERE STILL IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II FOR MICHAEL VORIS.
Michael Voris in his latest Vortex has not said that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with or without an irrational premise and the conclusion is different either way.Instead he is telling us that there is only one interpretation of Vatican Council II.For me it is the one with the false premise which causes a  rupture with Tradition and the bad effects.

ARCHDIOCESE OF DETROIT USE THE FALSE PREMISE

Possibly Michael Voris does not have permission from the Archbishop of Detroit to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.For then Vatican Council II would support the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). He would be supporting  extra ecclesiam nulla salus, with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) being invisible and not visible, unknown and not known, implicit and not explicit.In the Archdiocese they do it the opposite way.

Similarly he has to interpret Lumen Gentium 8 and 16 as explicit exceptions to EENS and let the bad fruit continue.

MEDIA TIME WASTED

So this Vortex titled, One, Big, Failure he does not use any time to say that Vatican Council II can be interpreted in  harmony with the Syllabus of Errors, the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.This was something which was not done over 50 years.

VATICAN COUNCIL II SUPPORTS AN ECUMENISM OF RETURN AND NOT THE NEW ECUMENISM

Instead he uses so much of time to criticize the new ecumenism without mentioning that it is caused theologically by assuming there is known salvation outside the Church. Unknown cases of being saved with BOD, BOB and I.I are considered known examples of salvation outside the Church. So the liberals say that there are known cases of Protestants saved outside the Church.So theologically there can be a new ecumenism, since outside the Church there is salvation.So there is the Anonymous Christian theology of Fr.Karl Rahner s.j. There is the Alpha Program in Detroit based on Vatican Council II allegedly saying there is known salvation outside the Church.

PROTESTANTS DO NOT HAVE CATHOLIC FAITH(AG 7)
With reference to Protestants, Michael Voris does not state that Vatican Council II supports the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma EENS.So Vatican Council II today is really  telling us Protestants are on the way to Hell unless if they convert into the Church.He does not cite Vatican Council II, since like the Magisterium he assumes BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS.There would be exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which indicates that Protestants need Catholic faith for salvation.

FOR AND NEUTRAL TO EENS METHOD OF READING VATICAN COUNCIL II NOT USED

So there could be a known Protestant for him saved outside the Catholic Church and this would negate the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which indicate Protestants are on the way to Hell.He reads Vatican Council II with the for and against EENS method instead of the for and neutral to EENS method(See tags on the right for an explaination).

VATICAN COUNCIL II HAS PASSAGES WHICH SUPPORT EENS AND NO PASSAGE WHICH CONTRADICTS EENS

It was non controversial for him to talk about the effects of Vatican Council II and not state that Vatican Council II has passages which support EENS and no passage which contradicts EENS 1.

FALSE PREMISE MANDATORY FOR CMTV TOO

The Archdiocese would protest if he interprets Vatican Council II in harmony with Feeneyite EENS, Syllabus of Errors, an ecumenism of return and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. 2 He could do all this by simply avoiding the false premise.Call hypothetical cases hypothetical only. Call theoretical cases theoretical only.

Instead he repeats 'a safe subject' and interprets Vatican Council II with a  false premise, which seems mandatory for Church Militant TV.

He does not say that when hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II(UR 3, GS 22, LG 8, LG 16 etc) are simply hypothetical, then there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict an ecumenism of return.

VATICAN COUNCIL II SUPPORTS THE OLD EXCLUSIVIST ECCLESIOLOGY
He does not say that when hypothetical, speculative and theoretical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 8,LG 16 etc) are simply considered hypothetical, speculative and theoretical,  then there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church which supported Feeneyite EENS,an ecumenism of return and the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.

BRADLEY ELI USES THE FALSE INFERENCE TOO

Over the last 50 years no one is saying this and so we can see the 'effects of Vatican Council II'. 

If he interprets Vatican Council II rationally(without the irrational premise)  then he can praise the conclusion of the Council which would then be traditional.

Bradley Eli has written reports on Church Militant TV which suggest that there are known cases of the baptism of desire etc and so BOD,BOB and I.I contradict traditional EENS.For Bradley hypothetical cases are really known people saved outside the Church.So Vatican Council II contradicts Feeneyite EENS.

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE CONTRADICTS CANTATE DOMINIO : FOUNDATION OF THE NEW THEOLOGY

Instead the CMTV staff support the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which says not every one needs to be a member of the Church for salvation.They imply that there are known exceptions of non Catholics, saved outside the Church.The inference is that there are known people saved with BOD, BOB and I.I and so traditional EENS is rejected.This was Christine Niles' theological position on the Mic'd Up program on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.She cited Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441(which does not mention any exceptions) and also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(which says there are exceptions).

This is how Vatican Council II has been interpreted over 50 years and we know the bad fruits. 

Church leaders and media are still not proclaiming the Faith.

Michael Voris can still choose the alternative interpretation of Vatican Council II and try to bring the truth out in a way which will not offend the Archdiocese.

-Lionel Andrades

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APRIL 14, 2018

Vatican Council has passages which support EENS and no passage which contradicts EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/vatican-council-has-passages-which.html

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APRIL 14, 2018

Liberals would protest if Ferrara, Mattei and Fr.Zuhlsdorf interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with Feeneyite EENS, Syllabus of Errors and an ecumenism of return based on the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/liberals-would-protest-if-ferrara.html

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 FEBRUARY 21, 2018

The popes and CMTV must switch to Feeneyism as a theology. They are irrational. I am not.(Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/the-popes-and-cmtv-must-switch-to.html  

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Michael Voris is not saying that all Muslims and Jews in Detroit,Michigan are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II(AG 7) and other magisterial documents interpreted with Feeneyite theology. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/michael-voris-is-not-saying-that-all.html

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 FEBRUARY 21, 2018

I affirm magisterial documents with rational Feeneyism.It is Catholics who interpret magisterial documents with Cushingite theology who have a problem.They must make the correction and come back to the Faith

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-affirm-magisterial-documents-with.html

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Mic’d Up—Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus with Christine Niles was finally based on Cushingite theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/micd-upextra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus-with.html

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 FEBRUARY 20, 2018

For me CMTV is in heresy. They are in schism with the past Magisterium of the Church as are our present two popes.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/for-me-cmtv-is-in-heresy-they-are-in.html

Who is going to challenge Cardinal Cupich and say there is no doctrinal change with Vatican Council ? Not Church Militant TV

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/who-is-going-to-challenge-cardinal.html

 FEBRUARY 18, 2018

There will not be mission for Michael Voris based on the traditional teaching of the Church supported by Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) since he chooses Cushingism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/there-will-not-be-mission-for-michael.html

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FEBRUARY 18, 2018

In the old Vortex on Do Non Catholics Go To Hell?, prudent Michael Voris does not want to be called a Feeneyite: uses Cushingite theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/in-vortex-on-do-non-catholics-go-to.html

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 FEBRUARY 8, 2018

Church Militant TV is interpreting the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II and EENS with Cushingism and so are a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Church.This is doctrinal chaos.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/church-militant-tv-is-interpreting.html

FEBRUARY 8, 2018

Michael Voris and Church Militant TV are Cushingites like the rest of the Archdiocese of Detroit : they use the New Theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/michael-voris-and-church-militant-tv.html

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SEPTEMBER 4, 2017

Christine Niles program on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus needs a follow up : irrational Wikipedia reports, SSPX canonical status , ecclesiology of Tridentine Rite Mass needs to be discussed http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/christine-niles-program-on-extra.html

OCTOBER 21, 2017

With one small false premise which Christine Niles accepts in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 Vatican Council II has the hermeneutic of rupture for her http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/with-one-small-false-premise-which.html

Christine Niles uses the false premise to interpret magisterial documents

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/christine-niles-uses-false-premise-to.html

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FEBRUARY 18, 2018

You may hope that a particular person outside the Church is finally saved but this is not the same as knowing this in personal cases.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/you-may-hope-that-particular-person.html

FEBRUARY 18, 2018

Now please tell me are you saying that all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water? I say YES.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/now-please-tell-me-are-you-saying-that.html

FEBRUARY 13, 2018

I am a Feeneyite so the Catechisms are Feeneyite for me.Pope Benedict and Card.Ladaria are Cushingites. So the Catechisms are interpreted with Cushingism. Our conclusions are different.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-so-catechisms-are.html

FEBRUARY 12, 2018

Similarly for me Vatican Council II is Feeneyite.Now please do not cite LG 16 as an exception. It would be an exception for you since you are a Cushingite.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/similarly-for-me-vatican-council-ii-is.html

FEBRUARY 12, 2018

I am a Feeneyite in my theology and philosophy.So is the Catechisn of Pope Pius X, the Catechism of the Council of Trent and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).They are all Feeneyite for me.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-feeneyite-in-my-theology-and.html

FEBRUARY 12, 2018

So now there is no doctrinal unity. Why should I say that invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to EENS and Card.Cushing, Abp. Lefebvre and Pope Pius XII were not in heresy? Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for his orthodoxy.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/so-now-there-is-no-doctrinal-unity-why.html

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