Sister Catherine Joseph Droste op, Dean of Theology, at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome has given her whole life for the education of young Catholics.But she unknowingly interprets being saved with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance (I.I) with a false premise. With the same irrational premise she also interprets Unitatis Redintigratio 3,Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Specs 22 etc in Vatican Council II.She changes the interpretation of the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II with this irrational reasoning.
It is the same with the rest of the faculty at the Angelicum.The good Sister, whose has good reputation, for us, then goes and receives the Eucharist at Holy Mass.
She will not proclaim exclusive salvation in the Church since she is not allowed to do so by the Dominican Father General and the present two popes.It is not approved by the Left.
St.Thomas Aquinas affirmed the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and BOD,BOB and I.I could not be exceptions, since they were only hypothetical cases, always.St. Catherine of Sienna and St.Dominic proclaimed exclusive salvation without making the mistake of the liberal theologians.It has now spread throughout the Church, like the Arian heresy of the past.
The Dominican Inquisition of the Middle Ages would not allow a Catholic to receive the Eucharist at Mass,, who uses a false premise and inference, to change the meaning of de fide teachings of the Church,which are obligatory for all Catholics to believe in, to avoid the fires of Hell.
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DECEMBER 15, 2019
Sister Catherine Joseph Droste o.p., is the Dean of Theology at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) Rome.I have 10 simple questions for her and the faculty. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/12/sister-catherine-joseph-droste-op-is.html
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The problem lies with basic philosophy, this caring-Sister would already know.Every premise produces a different consequence.It produces a different theology and even a different ecclesiology.Change the premise and you change the Church.So even though a Catholic is rational he could be usinging a non Catholic premise in philosophy.
If LG 8, LG 14 and LG 16 are exceptions to EENS for the Angelicum Department of Theology,then it indicates, that LG 8 , LG 14 and LG 16 are visible cases. They are physical bodies in the Newton's time and space.But invisible people cannot be exceptions. An exception must exist in our reality to be an exception.In a box of oranges, an apple in its midst, is an exception not only because it is different, but because it exists there is the box.LG 8, LG 14 and LG 16 are always invisible for me. So they do not change the past ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
For Sister Catherine the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology has to be obsolete. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is a thing of the past, for the faculty.
There is ' a development of doctrine' based on an irrational premise ( invisible non Catholics are a visible exception to Feeneyite EENS).
This is a doctrinal mess and the good Sister needs to clear it up in public and end the scandal, before going up to receive Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.-Lionel Andrades
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)
I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)
LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14: Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water)
UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).
NA 2( Nostra Aetate 2: The case of the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.
Sister Catherine Joseph Droste, American sister. License sacred theology in dogmatic theology Angelicum, Italy, 2002; certified teacher Tennessee, Administr. Virginia. Recipient Teacher of Year, Overbrook School, 1995. She was born on April 21, 1965 in Clinton, Iowa, United States. Daughter of Leo Clem and Mary Margaret Droste. She has a Bachelor in History, Christendom, 1987. Master of Arts in History, Middle Tennessee State University, 2002. Bachelor in Theology, Angelicum, Italy, 2000. She has been a Teacher St. Rose Lima School, Birmingham, Alabama, 1991—1992, St. Mary Star Sea School, Hampton, Virginia, 1992—1993, Overbrook School, Nashville, 1993—1996, assistant principal, 1996—1997. Teacher St. Cecilia Academy. Adjunct professor Aquinas College, 2003—2004. A School administrator Our Lady Mount Carmel School, Newport News, Virginia, since 2004 and History department chair St. Cecilia Academy, Nashville, 2002. https://prabook.com/web/catherine_joseph.droste/581903
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Sr.Catherine Droste's lecture was offered on May 15th, 2019 at the Balkfriars Institute at the University of Oxford.It can be listened to at this link.
https://castbox.fm/episode/Passions-and-the-Life-of-Virtue-%7C-Sr.-Catherine-Joseph-Droste%2C-O.P.-id124731-id165848047?country=it
NOVEMBER 12, 2019
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Sr.Catherine Droste's lecture was offered on May 15th, 2019 at the Balkfriars Institute at the University of Oxford.It can be listened to at this link.
https://castbox.fm/episode/Passions-and-the-Life-of-Virtue-%7C-Sr.-Catherine-Joseph-Droste%2C-O.P.-id124731-id165848047?country=it
NOVEMBER 12, 2019
At Oxford University 50 years after Vatican Council II they still do not have an insight into their collective error.Students at Oxford, thousands of them, did not think correctly and were going along with the masses, in their error. This centre of learning was in ignorance.
NOVEMBER 11, 2019
The Oxford University Press has produced many books on Vatican Council II based upon a false premise. A deceptive rupture is created with Catholic Tradition https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-oxford-university-press-has.html
OCTOBER 27, 2019
Books on Vatican Council II should not receive the Imprimatur: authors interpret the Council with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition
OCTOBER 15, 2019
When you read Ludwig Ott's Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma or Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davies, Roberto dei Mattei and John Hardon's books, be attentive.They accepted the Letter of the Holy Office (LOHO) error. So their theology is off the rails.They had to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.This is a major theological error.
OCTOBER 11, 2019
Do not read these books : their new theololgy is the same as that of the Amazon Synod https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/do-not-read-these-books-their-new.html
NOVEMBER 17, 2019
Operation Dustbin
NOVEMBER 16, 2019
Most of the books on Vatican Council II should not be there in the public and pontifical libraries . They should be sent back to the publishers if it is possible.They use a false premise and inference and then conclude with various new theories.Fr. Hans Kung sj is an example. So is Cardinal Walter Kasper.Their books should be removed from the libraries for being deceptive or the writers innocently being in ignorance.
NOVEMBER 16, 2019
Clearer Vatican II vision by Paul Lakeland uses an outdated theology : the Catholic Church has moved forward
NOVEMBER 14, 2019
Fr.Hans Kung's books, which unethically use a false premise, to create a non traditional conclusion, are available at the Legion of Christ university, in Rome(UPRA)
NOVEMBER 12, 2019
Gavin D'Costa's book published by the Oxford University Press has a philosophical and theological flaw
NOVEMBER 5, 2019
Before the Jesuits write new books on Vatican Council II someone has to inform them that LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only in 2019 and they are not real and known non Catholics saved outside the Church. So Lumen Gentium does not contradict the past ecclesiology, LG 16 and GS 22 are not practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and there is nothing in Unitatis Redintigratio to contradict an ecumenism of return.
OCTOBER 29, 2019
Such a staggering thought.All those thousands of books, numerous, written on Vatican Council II have a major theological error. They should be thrown into the dustbin- O'Malley, Kasper, Faggioli,Gherardini,Mattei, Ferrara.They violate Newton's laws of physics and Aristotle's Principle of Non Contradiction.
OCTOBER 28, 2019
Repost : Books to avoid - Fenton and Hardon's theology is off the rails
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/repost-books-to-avoid-fenton-and.html
AUGUST 25, 2019
Many Catholic books on salvation and Vatican Council II are written with irrational Cushingite philosophy and theology
OCTOBER 28, 2019
All the books on Vatican Council II that have been published could probably have an error in the interpretation of the Council, in its 16 basic documents.Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Ad Gentes, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Gaudium et Specs etc were are all interpreted with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition. Hypotheticals were assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/all-books-on-vatican-council-ii-that.html
OCTOBER 27, 2019
Books on Vatican Council II should not receive the Imprimatur: authors interpret the Council with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition
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JANUARY 26, 2018
Hilary White and Massimo Faggioli interpret the Catechism, Vatican Council II and Letter of the Holy Office with hypothetical cases not being hypothetical : so there is a rupture with Tradition (with graphics)
FALSE PREMISE DEFINED
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
FALSE PREMISE DEFINED
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
NOVEMBER 19, 2019
Michael Sean Winters and Massimo Faggioli have converted ?https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-and-massimo.html
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
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