eucharistandmission: Pope Paul VI did not correct the error.It was an act of omission. Pope Francis also does not correct the error. His papal documents are issued not with Vatican Council II in harmony with Tradition (EENS, Athanasius Creed etc)

Sunday, September 13, 2020

Pope Paul VI did not correct the error.It was an act of omission. Pope Francis also does not correct the error. His papal documents are issued not with Vatican Council II in harmony with Tradition (EENS, Athanasius Creed etc)

In principle the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II(1965) assumed invisible cases (LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc) were visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and objective exceptions to Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus etc). They followed the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which had used the same false premise.

Pope Paul VI did not correct the error.It was an act of omission.

Pope Francis also does not correct the error. His papal documents are issued not with Vatican Council II in harmony with Tradition (EENS, Athanasius Creed etc).-Lionel Andrades

JUNE 25, 2020

TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creeds with a false premise

The TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creed with a false premise and they have no comment on this issue.In a controversial interview of Pope Francis, the interviewet does not mention that the Creeds and Vatican Council II can be interpreted with or without a false premise and TV 2000 has chosen the irrational option like Pope Francis.

In general, Catholics recite the Creeds, unknowingly using a false premise and inference and so their conclusion is a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc) Even the Lefbvrist and Feeneyite traditionalists make this mistake.

Even the different groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Society of St.Pius X make the same mistake.

The Dioceses of Boston, Manchester and Worcester only accept vocations to the religious life from candidates who interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds with a false premise and inference. This is obligatory.

The same problem exists in Italy and TV 2000 could do a program on this issue.-Lionel Andrades

JUNE 23, 2020

Pope Francis and my interpretation of the Creeds is different.Priests do not say that I am wrong.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/pope-francis-and-my-interpretation-of.html

JUNE 24, 2020

Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries

ttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/pope-francis-interprets-creeds-with.html

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WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2015

Questions and Answers

what premise ? The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".

What inference/ conclusion ?The inference is since the dead are visible to us on earth, those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance being explicit ( visible in the flesh) become exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So it is concluded that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it is concluded that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it has the hermeneutic of rupture.

What theology ? The post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.Since it assumes that defacto( in fact in the present times,explicitly) there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.So it is a theology which assumes there is salvation outside the Church even though we cannot know of any one saved without 'faith and baptism'.

What Tradition? Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils, do not mention any exception. The text also does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.I am referring to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma.Neither do they state that there are exceptions to the dogma.Yet with the false premise and inference is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.

Do you accept the baptism of desire?Yes. I believe a Catechuman who has an implicit desire for the baptism of water and dies before he receives it can be saved. Since God will provide the means for him to receive the baptism of water. It has been the experience of saints, including St. Francis Xavier that some people returned from the dead only to be baptised by them with the baptism of water.

Irrational premise, Irrational inference, Non traditional conclusion The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth". They then make an irrational inference which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS." Their conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.

I accept the Magisterium

'For me the magisterial teaching of the Church documents (and not the contemporary magisterium i.e the persons in power) support the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( AG 7,LG 14, CCC 1257,845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).

I accept the Magisterium ( Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), CCC 1257, 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20, Council of Trent,Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Cantate Dominio Council of Florence 1441 etc).Magisterium, Scripture and Tradition, before and after Vatican Council II support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the four Catholic professors of theology, who were expelled by Boston College. http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html#comment-1943178630

Exclusivist ecclesiology? The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.

Who agrees with you? Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigion http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html

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